itt a strange man asks if you saw the ass on that one

ILX has blown for a few years now, however

Yeah, nothing is the way it used to be. Ain't that a bitch?

It's ok w me

that IS the kind of snarkiness that bums me out, deej.

like you, like everybody, i only post this shit cuz i think i'm otm in some way (yay me). it's cool that u disagree, but i've noticed that when we disagree, you often don't really offer anything constructive. instead, you just flip shit in this offhand "sit down and shut up" manner.

you don't have to engage any more than you want to, but i kinda hate that dumb-it-down-and-shut-it-down approach. i'm not saying that people don't have to treat each other with common decency, and i've got enough respect for your intellect to assume that you know that.

c'mon, man, meet me halfway...

contenderizer no one is responding to your posts because you seem to be responding to posts that no one made

i made my all-too-obvious points earlier about the freedom of thought because i think there IS a contemporary tendency - both here @ ilx and in the world at large - to view people's inner selves in rather puritan terms. to insist in a weirdly passive way, without quite saying it outright, that all decent people MUST at all times be free of certain kinds of thinking.

literally no one on this thread has even implied this

we must never show evidence of anything that anyone else might possibly construe as racial insensitivity, ever, upon pain of being branded a bigot and publicly shunned. same goes for sexism (though as laurel points out, to a lesser degree). to display even the slightest trace of sexual oddity or awkwardness is to risk being labeled the worst sort of pervert.

like i dont know where on ilx you are spending time that you would think this is true!!

especially given that someone dropped an n-bomb on this thread and it wasnt addressed for like 100 posts

anyway my disagreement with you is twofold

1) there is very little self-policing, on ilx, and frankly, in the world at large, w/r/t racial or sexual insensitivity--that is why this thread is almost a thousands posts long

2) self-policing w/r/t to racial or sexual insensitivity--w/r/t sensitivity in general--is a good thing

fundamentally, i suppose it's nothing new. we've always had social rules that govern what one can and can't say in public, and how one should say certain things if one cares to risk it. but i nevertheless suggest that we've become extraordinarily puritan about certain thing over the past 40 years or so, often in ways that really and truly suck.

finally i am now genuinely wondering what "really and truly sucks" about a world where people say less racist and sexist shit (nb we DO NOT LIVE IN THIS WORLD.) like what are you missing out on here?? the n-word??? your right to tell a woman how much you like her rack?!

I have a tiny bit if sympathy for contenderizer's point of view because one of my biggest pet peeves is when someone tells me to do something I'm either already doing or about to do, so his argument makes sense to me from the "I am already policing my thoughts, get off of my back" angle.

The problem is that this argument never seems to come from that angle.

dude deej said this upthread

'thoughts are sacrosanct' makes no sense. of course they are -- no one knows your thoughts. but goole's point, if im reading him right (& if so, then i agree) is that thoughts shape your worldview, and that being aware of how these thoughts are functioning, *why* they arise & how it might affect your outlook on the world, MATTERS & is worthy of ANALYSIS. simply backing up & saying "whoa whoa whoa -- these thoughts are sacrosanct!!" misses how thoughts work. They aren't a movie that flickers through your brain, they're your entire worldview, your natural reactions.

which is obviously a real, thoughtful response to what you said

the fact that you think this is about your mind being perfect and politically correct all the time makes it seem like you are reading some other thread

'thoughts are sacrosanct' makes no sense. of course they are -- no one knows your thoughts.

sacrosanct means "sacred" and especially "beyond reproach". Not "unknown" or "unknowable".

Not taking a side in this little beef, I'm just saying.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/eb/CMXCloacamaximaII.jpg

Is this the ass the thread is about? Sure seems like it to me.

itt a doobie borther asks if you saw the rear-mounted prop on that one

If someone starts up that prop, that ass is in for some immediate and severe reduction surgery.

'jetpack: the early experiments'

finally i am now genuinely wondering what "really and truly sucks" about a world where people say less racist and sexist shit (nb we DO NOT LIVE IN THIS WORLD.) like what are you missing out on here?? the n-word??? your right to tell a woman how much you like her rack?!

I don't think contenderizer is advocating for a world in which people are given carte blanche to be outwardly insensitive all the time -- more like a world where people aren't made to feel subhuman for thinking or saying certain "unacceptable" things. I mean, most people know they're not supposed to think or express thoughts that are politically incorrect or morally reprehensible, but it happens, anyway, because the brain is a complex, fertile thing and people have flaws and make mistakes.

The flipside is that other people are made to feel subhuman by these unacceptable things and what goes around comes around. If you don't want people to think you're a racist, don't do or say racist things. If you don't want people to think you're a sexist, don't do or say sexist things. It's a pretty unambiguous point, IMO.

The big issue here is that when these things happen, no one ever seems to want to apologize for what they did until someone literally screams at them; if the apologies/willingness to show concern/remorse for hurting other people was more forthcoming, I don't think people would be so "don't do it in the first place" about it.

Regarding no one in particular, I take it.

Regarding no one in particular, although that did happen here on this thread. I'm not attempting to scapegoat anyone or make anyone feel bad about something that they've already apologized for and I'm sorry if I come across that way; I wish I was a better writer so that I could make the point without making everyone think I'm continuing to take potshots at someone over an issue that's been resolved.

(The "funny" thing here is that when people who have never actually shown much propensity towards racist/sexist behavior come onto these threads and start going "oh no, you are making me bad for having unacceptable thoughts", the first reaction I have is "wait, what the hell are you actually thinking that makes you react like this?????" and it takes a while for the mental images of them daydreaming about donning Klan robes and smacking women to go away.)

Only on weekends, for the record.

should there be a thread for dark thoughts one has had, that would not be matched in any way by reality?

no

here it is, i remember

Quieting the Imps in Your Brainz

when i see a hot guy with a great round ass i wonder what it would be like to bury my face in it but i don't think that's an "imp" as much as a "healthy libido"

― faster pussycat master blaster (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 7 July 2009 17:50 (4 months ago) Bookmark

:D

The "funny" thing here is that when people who have never actually shown much propensity towards racist/sexist behavior come onto these threads and start going "oh no, you are making me bad for having unacceptable thoughts",

a lot tied up here w/shame & how people deal with the whole general concept of shame imo

Very true. My shame tends to make me feel ashamed, and pretending that it doesn't is (I have learned) quite futile, if not counterproductive.

In a similar vein, my joy tends to make me feel joyful and my anger tends to make me feel angry.

sacrosanct means "sacred" and especially "beyond reproach". Not "unknown" or "unknowable".

― Of course I want frosting. I'm a Scorpio. (kenan), Thursday, December 3, 2009 8:19 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

they are beyond reproach frmo others, was my point, because others dont know them

can't believe we went 800 posts without any ass images being posted

especially given that someone dropped an n-bomb on this thread and it wasnt addressed for like 100 posts

― max, Thursday, December 3, 2009 7:57 AM (6 hours ago)

it wasn't cankles so the mods let it slide

to repeat a point, no one is saying people don't have certain thoughts, but rather that it's good to self-moderate (lol) those thoughts and not run with them. like that teacher described upthread. yes, ok, i suppose an adult male teacher might consider a 17 year old girl attractive, but a decent person who has those thoughts just shrugs and says to himself, "well ok, can't go there obviously, let's drop the subject." why that guy was creepy was he actually got to the point where he was "that guy" to a male student, like trying to bro down at his level. which is super-creepy, because it says to me he's a guy who just doesn't see those boundaries. anyway, this has all been addressed before.

this thread title can be funny if you imagine John McCain saying it about President Obama

in ref to Palin, presumably

altho I can totally picture John McCain being a creepy guy hanging around the liquor store parking lot

a lot tied up here w/shame & how people deal with the whole general concept of shame imo

Yeah. You know that Larry Clark movie Bully? About the kids who decide to kill one of their peers? A lot of people thought it was pretty silly exploitation material, but that movie genuinely fucked me up, and it was mostly because of the way it shined a light on the "banality of evil." There was a character in that movie -- all based on a true story, btw -- who seemed like a sweet, shy, dorky kid, but because he caved in to peer pressure and went along for the ride, he was considered an accessory to the crime and received a serious jail sentence. Now I certainly don't think the dude should've gotten off the hook -- he was certainly old enough to know what he was doing -- but the idea that that one choice he made had such a drastic impact on his life frankly terrified me, because it wasn't that difficult to imagine myself, in perhaps a less-sordid scenario, doing something equally thoughtless and having to live with the knowledge of what I'd done. Humans have the capacity to do and think a lot of things they might not expect of themselves, and that's why it sometimes rankles when people pretend like they're above that.

no McCain is talking about Obama's ass in my fantasy--to continue the fantasy, Sarah Palin can be the clerk inside the liquor store

I pretty much have had that same McCain/Obama mental image for this entire thread

jaymc, I don't really have much sympathy for the person in your scenario. I am a firm believer in owning the consequences of your actions; if you are with people doing something stupid/illegal, expect that stupidity/illegality to follow you. That is the way the world works. If the kid went along, saw the murder, reported it, cooperated fully with the police and still got a serious jail sentence, I can see where you're coming from, but if he helped keep the secret of what happened then he IS an accessory to the crime.

And again, this goes back to judging actions; dude may have had all the "this is fucked up and WRONG" thoughts in the world, but if he didn't do or say anything about it, he doesn't get credit for it. Sorry.

Sarah Palin can be the clerk inside the liquor store

lolz you betcha

fuck Larry Clark btw

LOL i forgot about this, how could i ever forget about this

http://images.hollywoodgrind.com:9000/images/2008/10/john-mccain-sticking-tongue-out.jpg

that didn't work but i did find out Meredith Baxter Admits She is a Gay Lesbian :)

what

click it

she is also no good and house

helen hunt not looking so good