― :| (....), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― CC72, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:11 (nineteen years ago) link
I'm not a film buff. Not seen the Ambersons. The debate is about my level, so I'm here.
OK?
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:28 (nineteen years ago) link
The play on which the movie is based was written before America went to war. It also failed to cast Strasser as particularly evil, per this site. The site also says that Howard Koch sought to emphasize the propaganda value of the story in developing the screenplay. But the script, essentially written by committee, was unfinished when production started in May '42, six month after America entered the war, and, though it's not completely clear, this interview suggests that Koch screenwriters considered the script to be written after American entered the war. Bergman and the writers didn't know for sure until well into production which guy she was going to end up with (which actually explains my problem with Bergman's performance/character).
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:42 (nineteen years ago) link
Someone was asking about French verbs on your thread yesterday and i linked it. If you'd like my identity, you're more than welcome to it.
gabbnebb's right about the who ends up with whom at the end part. If I recall correctly, the 'beginning of a beautiful friendship' scene was shot weeks after principal photography was over.
― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link
So now that we've outed the Eco within, do we have to say that, dispite it's obvious flaws, we've thought about it some more and we do like Casablanca after all, to show we are not slaves to the things we have read written by famous critics?
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link
Why ever not?
― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 18:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 18:10 (nineteen years ago) link
TS Victor Laszlo vs. Laszlo Lowenstein vs. Laszlo Kovacs (I) vs. Laszlo Kovacs (II)
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 18:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 18:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 18:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ceezah, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:16 (nineteen years ago) link
To each his own then...
― Ceezah, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:17 (nineteen years ago) link
- Fabulous photography!!! Moody, striking, atmospheric, dramatic - the whole ball of wax.
- The plot is total cornball, but the pacing and dialogue are so crisp that you never have time to dwell on the silliness of it all. Each vignette is a perfect little bon-bon of entertainment. No waste. No chewing necessary.
- Claude Rains was having a ball and so were the scriptwriters for him. Every line he spoke was a gem. Probably a commentary on Hollywood studios in there.
- Not a good scenery-chewing Nazi to be found anywhere, just the ho-hum cardboard kind.
- It is very rainy and foggy in Morrocco. Who knew?
― Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:26 (nineteen years ago) link
"Ninochka""Andrei Rubylev""Broken Blossoms""Pandora's Box""Orphans of the Storm"that film w/Dirk Bogarde where he's a homosexual doctor who gets blackmailed (heh, sorry, bad memory)"Sabrina""Valley of Song""Kind Hearts and Coronets""Passport to Piml1co""Night of the Demon"
That's eleven, but never mind, and I'm not even getting into Ford or Kurosawa films, either.
So obviously, I don't think it's the best black & white film ever, though I do like it quite a lot.
I don't really give a shit about what "name" critics think, and am curious as to why you keep bolstering your arguments by bringing these people's opinions in, c*l*m.
Regarding films as "quotable" is a bit james brown-edited magazine-ist for me, but I suppose if I were no think of the most quotable film, it would be "Scarface"
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:31 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.thehollywoodnews.com/images3/edisonposter.jpg
― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:44 (nineteen years ago) link
That's eleven, but never mindWhy does anyone like 'Sabrina'?I was gonna say, there's an obvious one to remove if you want an even ten.
Trouble in ParadiseSearch! - Any movie involving Edward Everett Horton and gondolas.
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:45 (nineteen years ago) link
(xpost - please tell me that movie is real)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― :| (....), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 23:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 23:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 23:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 6 January 2005 00:21 (nineteen years ago) link
I sincerely hope that's next. I nominate the five of the seven Sternberg-Dietrich collabs I've seen.
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 6 January 2005 11:19 (nineteen years ago) link
No. What's it called?
― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 6 January 2005 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 6 January 2005 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link
VampyrThe Philadelphia StoryMThe Big SleepL'Age d'OrThe Man Who Knew Too MuchA Canterbury TaleThrone of BloodPeter IbbetsonAlphaville
I like the implication in the title that Black & White films are somehow inferior to their Colour cousins. That's LadCrit for you.
― noodle vague (noodle vague), Thursday, 6 January 2005 22:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 6 January 2005 22:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― John (jdahlem), Thursday, 6 January 2005 22:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― :| (....), Thursday, 6 January 2005 22:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― noodle vague (noodle vague), Thursday, 6 January 2005 22:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― noodle vague (noodle vague), Thursday, 6 January 2005 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link
tracer, wanna read an AMAZING book on the making of a movie? devil's candy by julie salomom on the making of bonfire of the vanities. just finished it last night. soooooo good.
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 6 January 2005 22:19 (nineteen years ago) link