What is considered a "fat girl" these days? I really want to know.

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Vic, sounds like you needed to spill that stuff. It's not psychotic, it's just... stuff. Has to be let out from time to time. Better here than while driving.

The chick who did nasty stuff to you in the dorm room and then made a joke of it is EVIL, as evil a boy who'd do that to a girl. DAMN, this pisses me off. If you heard that some guy did this to a girl friend of yours, what would be your opinion of him? Grrr. Psycho girl.

Your sexuality -- who you fancy -- that's how you are, nothing wrong with it. Plenty of girls like a guy who likes both. Plenty of guys like a guy who likes both.

Both the things above seem to be messing with you like the big time, and if they keep being a problem, you might wanna see a counselor to help you put them in their place.

The girl -- I dunno, if she's that possessive/must be YOUR GIRLFRIEND/needs a boyfriend because her friends have one, I'd go carefully. She sounds more YOUNG than anything else.

Best of luck.

― Layna, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Hey Lanya, thanks very much ..yes she is young. I'm amazed you even got through that. thanks very much i appreciate you sharing your opinion whatsoever i amusually not like that. in fact, i think it's the first time i've REALLY said or typed EXACTLY what was in my mind, as the thoughts were taking place. Usually like most people a censor button is working..

― Vic, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

>>why do other women/girls determine a girl's worth based on whether or not she has a relationship

men do this to women as much as women do it too.

i'm really sorry about your experience with the "fat" girl, vic, but i would like to point out to you that it shouldn't matter to you what she looked like, the fact that it happened is bad enough. so calling her a "fat hippo" doesn't help to win you sympathy. i mean i do sympathise with you but... you know what i mean, the fact that she was fat is unimportant, and the fact that you emphasize it makes you look like a bigot. it sounds like you are projecting onto other fat women from your one experience with a woman who just happened to be fat. i suppose its more psychologically complex than i'm giving you credit for though?

are you sure you want a whore, and not a girl that you can respect and be friends with and fuck without things getting emotionally messy? i think there is a difference.

maybe you explained your self for the "whore" comment, but i only skim read through those big posts.

― di, Wednesday, 28 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Actually thinking about it Vic - and this doesn't change what I think above - your position now is more sympathetic (you were attacked and that is awful) but less ethically defensible (you are attributing moral qualities - propensity to fuck Vic up - to a physical property - fatness), Long winded way for saying "Don't hate all fat girls because of one of them", which you already know. But I'm just getting these issues straight myself.

― Tom, Wednesday, 28 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Hi Vic, Thanks for sharing what happened to you with us. You aren't a bad person and it wasn't your fault. What happened to you was awful but all chubby people aren't the same. I can relate very well to what you had to go through. I went through abuse as well sexual physical & emotional. The worst part for me in all of that was to watch my baby brother go through the same when he was 5-6 years old, and there wasn't a thing I could do to help him. So yes it is a terrible thing to go through. :( Gale

― Gale Deslongchamps, Wednesday, 28 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I don't like Bill Hicks *that* much. I am not perhaps the student disciple of Bill you may think.

― Ronan, Wednesday, 28 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Tom only said that so he cd call him "de" Talleyrand.

― mark s, Wednesday, 28 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Bof! Rumbled!

― Tom, Wednesday, 28 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

could someone summarise the findings of this thread. preferably in a neat table with a diagram.

― Alan Trewartha, Wednesday, 28 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

findings of this thread are (i think) that vic has had someproblems with a woman in the past who was abusive, this has fucked a few things up, some ppl were offended a little by the genrealisations, and geoff remembered some lyrics to old queen songs.

― geoff, Wednesday, 28 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I understand that today everyone is into slim. but I go back a bit to when I almost lost my Mom to cancer. she weighed about 140 and went down to 100lbs. Does a thin person have a chance to pull through? My mom is still alive today having a little extra to fight with, & the best of doctors & God's help. I really think so anyway. Gale

― Gale Deslongchamps, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

eight months pass...

BWAHAHAAHA........i'm printing this thread out and i'm gonna leave it on buses and dentist office waiting room tables

― Ramosi, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

ohmigod this thread is sill here??

― V, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

i guess old things on ILx remain for forever then? how nice that one of my mental meltdowns is documented in real time in the archives here for the rest of time

― V, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

bro.....my bad if this dredges up something awkward.....I was googling for ethan's old fat chick thread and found this puppy......sorry, i didn't know......pretty ill though!

― Ramosi, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

no um, it's ok... i am pretty detached from all this enough now so i can just sort of smile at it...and er, it's from a "Vic," and I'm, ahem, V

― V, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

nine months pass...

umm.. what is normal weihgt for a girl who's 15 or 16?? am curious too... lol neways.. i dont consider girl overweight fat! U KNOW why? cuz they could burn it off.. hehehehe just takes 25 to 30 mins a day for 3 month.. to burn ur fat calories.. and dont eat to much fat!! cuz then whats the point... you get the fat again.lol!! Well my point is.. if you really care for your body, and wanna look good to others.. just do ur 10mins exercise at home everyday.. thatz all!

― neko, Tuesday, 20 May 2003 04:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

neko that is pretty great advice.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 04:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm sorry but if I see one more post with "u no" and other such SMSisms in it I am going to SCREAM. Why is it so hard to take the time to spell and type properly?

Sorry.. hread hijack I know... personal gripe of mine, don't mind me, carry on.

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 05:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

But fwiw I agree neko that is sensible advice. Lose weight? Sure! EAT LESS AND MOVE MORE. Its not hard.

God I'm grumpy today aren't I?

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 05:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

if you really care for your body, and wanna look good to others..

I agree with the first part, but not with the second. Who says everyone likes slim girls?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 08:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

damn right

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 08:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

I was reading something somewhere recently about a woman... OH, yes. It was Colette. She died weighing 180 pounds and this book I was skimming through was mentioning how that's horribly obese and she loved food too much and so on. And I'm thinking, Hey, I weighed 180 just a year and a half ago and sure I felt a wee bit unhealthy but I don't remember feeling obese. That's weird. I don't even know what I weigh now, but it's less than I used to - and I'm almost six foot so that makes 180 not so fat, right? And my mom weighs over 200 on and off and she's only 5'6" but I never felt like she was really fat.

― Sarah McLUsky (coco), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 11:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's all about body proportion; weight is a red herring.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 11:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

Like if all the fat is in the breastesses then it's ok, right DAn? :)

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 12:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

That was a question that answers itself.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 13:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

I was gonna say!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 13:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

I finally hit the 200 pound mark last month, damn it all. (I'm 5'4".) I'm glad that I'm going to be able to afford a health club now.

― Christine "Green Leafy Dragon" Indigo (cindigo), Tuesday, 20 May 2003 23:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

I hate to be an ass, but if you're
5"8 and over 140 you're probably fat.

― masta ace (Squirrel_Police), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 02:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Unless you work out and have lots of muscles. Which
is very sexy, BTW, but I think most girls are scared
away from weights from seeing freakish female
cover models. It's a shame, too, since lifting
weights is such a healthier way to get slim than
starving yourself.

― masta ace (Squirrel_Police), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 02:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

okaayyy... so you go off about being "probably fat" but in the same sentence say its bad to starve oneself.

We can't win, can we? :)

PS: being a certain size and being a certain weight are not mutually inclusive.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 02:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

Like I said, it's hard to say, some girls are like 160
but and look fit and trim. probably fat isn't the worst
thing in the world, there's a saying of lads round
here that goes "more cushion for the pushin"

― masta ace (Squirrel_Police), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 03:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

er, i'm no fitness expert, but I don't think lifting weights helps you lose much weight, does it? (or were you referring to exercising in general?)

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 04:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

lifting weights converts fat to muscle, which is not technically losing weight but it is "losing weight" ie becoming less "fat", according to the informal way we use language

― jowburd (Squirrel_Police), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 04:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

right, they'll wind up looking like a softball player

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 04:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

140 lb = 66kg
5'8" = 1m73

Sounds fairly emmaiciated to me.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 06:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

that's not emaciated, but it's far from fat.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 06:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

Good god, NO WAY, Ed. I mean christ that's slim, not emaciated. I am 1,66 meters and weigh about 58 kilos.

― nathalie (nathalie), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 06:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

How does one work out a square root? (I used to know this, but it has been consigned to the dustbin of my brain, along with the rest of my numerical ability.

― Anna (Anna), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 12:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

?ã

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 12:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

doh!

try ?ã

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 12:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

?ã?ã?ã?ã?ã?ã?ã?ã?ã?ã

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 12:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

*cries*

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 12:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

*also cries*

I still don't know what you mean! Speak in Spanish?

― Anna (Anna), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 12:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

i was being a smartass and it backfired on me

if there's a non-calculator way, i have no idea what it is

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 12:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

there is no a non-calculator or tables way for doing square roots.

Why do you need the square root, anna?

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 12:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Um, I didn't even mean that. I meant how do you square something.

(I am such a maths dunce. It's very embarassing.
T: You can't be that bad. What are eight sevens?
[long pause]
[painfully long pause]
Anna (brightly) 58! )

― Anna (Anna), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 12:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

squaring is a number multiplied by itself

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 12:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

Fuck it. I found an on-line body mass index calculator and used that. Sorry for thread derailment.

― Anna (Anna), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 12:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

Fat and muscle are entirely different substances. One doesn't change into another. Muscle burns more calories than fat therefore in your resting state you have a higher metabolism. It's funny, I started working out last year 4-5 times a week. I weigh the exact same now than I did before but i redistributed my weight differently and got muscles in different places so trousers I could wear before I can no longer button and my shoulders are broader thereby giving my waist a narrower impression.

My weight fluctuates between 130 and 160, depending on my environment, and I'm 5'5". And the only difference I see when I'm at my peak weight is that I go up a size. I kind of always look the same. 160 is by no means fat. I kind of like it because I find it very soft and rounded and I still think I'm attractive and healthy.

― Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 13:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

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