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There is no acceptable conditions for indie pale ales in this day and age. Grab a Corona and stick a lime in it if you must. For some reason I find myself drinking Sleeman's lager more in the summer though so Im a freak according to my brother.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nastro Azzuro, Budvar, Tiger, if I actually am talking best best beer, Asahi is nice with food.

Within my pricerange, I tend to get carlsberg.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

>Dude, if you can't tell the diff. in taste between a Michelob Light and an Amstel Light or a Red Stripe, then there's no hope for you.

Yes, there are some minor differences in taste between these beers, for example AB products like Mich have that godawful rice flavour, but in the end its like comparing the tastes of different brands of Amercian cheese - even the best are taste like crap compared to the real stuff.

>American beers taste...sweet to me. It's bizarre.

Light lagers have virtually no hops, so the only flavour your going to get from them is from the malt (mostly corn), which is sweet. Even this flavour is very light compared to malt-heavy beers like dopplebocks (very very sweet, esp. Aventinus). So if a beer has no hop flavour or malt flavour, I don;t see how it has ANY (good) flavour - which is why I prefer PBR to Corona.

fletrejet, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

I never saw how IPA's made good summer drinks. They are good with spicy food though. My seasonal beer drinking is something like:

Summer = Pilseners, Hefeweissens
Winter = Dopplebocks, Imperial Stouts, high alcohol anything
Autumn = Oktoberfests, duh

fletrejet, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Been drinking nothing but Grolsch lately. Strange as I usually vary brands all the time.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 19:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

My favorite beer full-stop is Anchor Steam.

Their Liberty Ale is good too. I also like Sam Smith (Oatmeal Stout!), Duvel, Chimay, Bass, Negra Modelo, and Harp. Brooklyn and Dominion are serviceable.

Most overrated - Sam Adams
Most underrated - Miller beers, MGD especially

Having put a few years between me and college, I do not plan on drinking Rolling Rock ever again for the rest of my life.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 27 March 2003 04:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like the ones what got alcohol in 'em

Millar (Millar), Thursday, 27 March 2003 04:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Them ones what ain't got alcohol, you might as well be drinkin' a damn sprite.

Millar (Millar), Thursday, 27 March 2003 04:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Very briefly,

GOOD (though there are many many more):

Delerium Tremens (one of my favorite Belgians although I'm quite certain there are better ones I just haven't tried yet)

Shakespeare Stout (produced by the wonderful Rogue brewery on the Oregon coast, this stout is FAR superior to its European predecessors--although both Beamish and Guinness are pretty good).

Anchor Brewing's Special Ale (produced for Christmas/New Year's, these exceptional beers are even more flavorful and drinkable than Achor Steam)

Ayinger Brau Weisse (perhaps the best hefeweizen available today)

BAD (though there are worse):

Sparks (a bright orange alcoholic energy drink -- stay away)

Monkey Face Porter (the concept being that you 'pucker' as the acrid sour mess boils up your esophagus; it perpetually tastes "off;")

Widmer makes/made a beer that tastes/tasted like cheese, and I have mixed feelings about their pumpkin beer. I've never had a smoked beer that I liked either.

GOOD VALUE (aka cheap but drinkable)

Pabst 24oz tall boys can be found for $0.99
THE beer of unemployed NW hipsters, Pabst is a good alternative to corporate American domestics. Only slightly worse than Tecate, but far cheaper.

Olympia 11oz. stubbies (bottles like red-stripe) come in boxes of 12 for about $6
Bad beer but made with good water which makes a big difference when you are drinking the cheap watered down stuff.

Ryan McKay (Ryan McKay), Thursday, 27 March 2003 12:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

I second the OTM WRT Prospect. I love it so. I need to find more pubs which serve it. I even trekked all the way to Holloway Road again the other night just so I could have some lovely Prospect. NEED. MORE. The Old Bob was alright but not at all as nummy. But ph33rs0m3ly strong!

Beer good...

Sarah (starry), Thursday, 27 March 2003 12:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

The idea of an Oregon stout being superior to its European predecessors sounds so unlikely I'm almost tempted to go to Oregon to try it!

MarkH (MarkH), Thursday, 27 March 2003 13:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Harp? UGH dude you mentalist, harp is now 1 euro a can at my local off licence and I still choose "Dutch Gold" over it, does any other country have Dutch Gold other than Ireland, even though it's made in Holland? I also sometimes buy Bavaria Lager which peculiarly is brewed in Amsterdam. To be honest cans are all so disgusting I don't think the difference between cheap ones and expensive ones is worth it, bearing in mind what a total ripoff beer is over here.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 27 March 2003 13:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

>The idea of an Oregon stout being superior to its European predecessors sounds so unlikely I'm almost tempted to go to Oregon to try it!

For any major European style of beer, there is an American version of it that is at least as good as or superior to European examples. Its one of the few things that make me proud of my country right now.

fletrejet, Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

Best? Chimay.

Also good— Sheaf Stout, Guinness, Pyramid Apricot Ale (you’ve got to try it), Leinenkugel’s, Old Nick, most Belgians (lambics can be nice on a hot summer day)...

No One (SiggyBaby), Thursday, 27 March 2003 14:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

its like comparing the tastes of different brands of Amercian cheese - even the best are taste like crap compared to the real stuff.

A very very VERY apt assessment.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 27 March 2003 15:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

There are some really great microbrews in Virginia, where I live. Just down the road in Richmond is the locally-famous Legend Brewing Company, makers of the complex, hearty, delicious dark beer "Legend Brown" -- try one if you're ever town (and email me for an FAP!). I also really dig Sierra Nevada, a microbrewery in California I'm sure some of you US beer-heads are familiar with.

Imports are tough, because, as stated previously, they're crud if improperly stored. Guinness is usually a safe bet (though I've never had Guinness outside of the US), as is Bass. I LOVE Sam Smith's lager and pale ale (have yet to try the oatmeal stout) as well. Chimay is a bev of the gods. A light lager is a light lager, but I do like Corona and Moosehead pretty alright.

To me, there are "just having one pint" beers, and there are "getting fuX0red" beers -- each type has its time and place, and its own special perks, but if I'm buying a six-pack for myself, I'll always go for the "one pint"-ers. And American microbrews are usually pretty safe bets for where I am.

Clarke B., Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think I'm the only person who likes Budvar and Budweiser.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Anybody ever had McNally's? It comes in a big 32 oz-ish bottle, at least it did when I had it. It was one of the best bres I ever tasted--had a faint toast-ness to it--and the store I got it from never had it again and no one there remembers it.

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well, Spencer, I live literally less than a mile from the Anheuser-Busch brewing plant in Williamsburg, VA, and the occasional Beerwinds that drift over my way have a less-than-savory aroma, to say the least.

Clarke B., Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

How could I forget Chimay? There was a time when a young 19-year-old nickalicious didn't drink the spirits (after a brief senior-year-of-high-school drinking spree) and worked in a 5-star restaurant making salads and appetizers and deserts, and one day our owner/head chef said "hey Nick, drink this" and I said "I don't wanna" and he said "No, I really think you oughta drink this". It was Chimay, I drank it, 3 more that night (whilst on the clock no less!), and was a drinker once again.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

I honestly feel that people who categorically dismiss beer ought to at least try some of these drinks -- especially Chimay. Seems like it could be a real gateway beer.

Clarke B., Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

You guys talked me into it...I used to get Chimay way too much, but I don't think I've drank it for 2 years or so. Tonight, that will change.

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think Chimay is a pretty bitter-tasting introduction for beer dismissers. Also agreed, the smell from the Budweiser plant in Van Nuys is pretty terrible.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

Factory in foul stench producing SHOCKAH!

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

Enjoy it, oops!

You might be right, Spencer. Sam Smith lager I could see easily convincing someone that beer can be smooth, refreshing, and yummy.

Amateur question, but what is lambic?

Clarke B., Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

When I was in Toronto about a year ago I had some Big Rock ale from Alberta. I don't know if I was just thirsty or what the hell was going on, but I'm pretty sure that was the best beer I've ever had. Unfortunately, it's only available from Ontario west and in the American Northwest, so I can't get my hands on it here in DC.

mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

the best beer (perhaps ever) is harpoon's winter warmer.

i will not argue this.


harp is my everyday beverage of choice since harpoon isn't distributed west of pittsburgh.

otto, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

You could probably get it online, but ordering beer online... that seems to be a whole other level of fandom that I can't quite comprehend yet.

Clarke B., Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

You could probably get it online

i emailed harpoon when i moved to chicago two years ago, they basically told me to go shit in my hat.

otto, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

Haha, it's probably like two guys in a basement. "Who the f*ck does this dude think we are?!"

Clarke B., Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

EXCELLENT. I'm drinking nothing but Harpoon from now on in honor of their customer service dept.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

You should become their mascot or something.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

no, harpoon is a reasonably medium-large microbrew now (nevermind the oxymoron). i used to go to their events all the time when i was younger. my picture was in their newsletter for chrissakes. they were real polite about it but they said there really wasn't anything they could do.

otto, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes, and you'll never be seen w/o you hat full of shit

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hey Clarke, email me sometime.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

the missing 'r' in my last post makes it look like I despise Dan.
You gotta admit it, though: calling someone a 'hatfull of shit' is grebt.

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

Will do, Nick...

Does anyone know what a lambic is?

Clarke B., Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes.

Oh, you wanted to know what it is? Spontaneously fermenting (the brewers don't add yeast) wheat beer from Belgium. Old & young lambics can be blended to make gueuze.

Mooro (Mooro), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

And if you brew a lambic w/ black cherries, its called a kriek and if you brew one w/ raspberries, its called a framboise, and these are actually easier to find than plain lambics/geuezes. Lambics are very sour and taste very unbeerlike.

Fruity, clovey Hefewesseins make a good gateway beer because they have very little hop flavour.


fletrejet, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

gueuzesthetics!

Mooro (Mooro), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 20:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

I was once highly addicted to a tiny micro-brew called Sutter Creek ______(something or other. Crap. This Guinness must be going to my head!). Anyway, they went out of business, but my mother managed to grab three of their last bottles. And they're all still sitting in my fridge, going stale, because I hate to open them and know that they'll be gone forever. Is this maudlin or what?

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 03:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Best: Guinness (from tap best if you're not in England or, ideally, Ireland), VicBitter, Cascade, Tooheys, Bodds, John Smiths, I like a lot of German beer but can't remember the brand names.

Worst: Heineken, Hahn Ice (both water gas and hangover), West End (Worst End) and until you've had half-flat, warmish bottled XXXX from an inadequately rinsed plastic mug at the Gabba in Brisbane, you have not had bad beer.

Alas, fully carbonated, ice cold XXXX straight from the tap into a brand new chilled glass is not hugely better.

Fred Nerk, Wednesday, 2 April 2003 10:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

wot no Coopers? beer of the gods. and me. Espesh the best extra stout.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 21:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oops, did you ever have that Chimay? How'd that work out for you?

I tried my first hefe-weizen tonight -- from a brewery that claims to be the first maker of hefe-weizen in Germany -- and boy was it delicious.

Clarke B., Thursday, 3 April 2003 05:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

agreed on heineken, it's so awful

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 3 April 2003 07:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

But I had a lovely glass of heineken when I went on the tour in amsterdam. It was very refreshing. But I wouldn't have it in a pub, I wouldn't have larger, not when there are lovely ales to be had.

My favourite when I go back to my parents is Castle eden, but it wasn't too special last time I had a pint. there was talk about the brewery being taken over, and I don't know what the outcome was.

Vicky (Vicky), Thursday, 3 April 2003 08:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oops, did you ever have that Chimay? How'd that work out for you?

No, not yet. Went over to my friend's house to see if he wanted to go to the liq store w/me, but before I could ask he offered me a Guiness and said I could have as many as I want--I'm not one to look a gift horse in the mouth.
Tonight sounds good though (I'm not a lush, I drink maybe once every two weeks and only 2-3 beers/time). Now the only question is which version of Chimay...I have a hard time leaving the store w/anything but the one w/the highest alc %.

oops (Oops), Thursday, 3 April 2003 14:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ones I forgot - Saranac (duh! black and tans especially rule) and Paulaner.

I also really dig Sierra Nevada, a microbrewery in California I'm sure some of you US beer-heads are familiar with.

That's a little big for a microbrew. And it's somewhat overrated.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 4 April 2003 03:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

A girl I know drinks Sierra Nevadas exclusively. It's tasty, sure, but why make that your only beer?

I like Sam Adams, Goose Island, Blue Moon. I've also gotta mention the very refreshing Bell's, since I went to school in Kalamazoo, where it's brewed. Kzoo represent!

jaymc., Friday, 4 April 2003 03:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

sierra nevada tastes like pine needles. in a good way.

goose island doesn't do much for me, i like bells amber. i think blue moon is owned and brewed by the coors family.

otto, Friday, 4 April 2003 12:38 (twenty-one years ago) link


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