Has ILE become too pally?

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No I agree with you Kate, to a certain extent. I always intend to go to FAPs, but the reality of it makes me think twice. (I cannot hide on ILM as it scares me too much!)

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 08:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

that's why ILM is a million times better than ILE. Once i see the pallyness I go to another thread straight away. don't have time for this shit bcz there are some ok discussions here.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 08:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

ignore julio he has an undeclared beard

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 08:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

you know, its always funny when ppl say 'ILM scares me'.

x-post: this is getting too pally now. I will go away for a while ;)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 08:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

ilm is specific that's the difference. It exists for the soul purpose of discussing all things music. If you're not into it then you don't post there. I love music, but i am not enough of a music snob or indeed know enough of a diversity of music to post there. (& that is why I steer clear of ILM)

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 08:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

I feel much the same as Pinkpanther about things.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 08:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

ilm's a bit too much of a sausage party also

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 08:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

the few times ive been to a fap ive usually talked about music!

chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 08:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

'i am not enough of a music snob' ?!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 08:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have a very limited scope of music that I love and listen to on a regular basis. Yet that that I love, I love completely and passionately. There are plenty of threads on ILM that I completely ignore, or else read and go "oh, that's interesting". I would understand how it *could* be perceived as threatening, because everyone is puffing themselves up with grand posing. But remember, ultimately, most of it is posing and sexual display. They won't actually beat you with sticks for liking/not liking Fennesz/Destiny's Child/MBV. (Except maybe Alex in NYC.)

ILM is easier for me when I don't feel like revealing too much of myself or getting into things too deep because there is a focus, and a topic to remind me not to get too personal. (Not that this works, but relatively, it seems to work.)

kate (kate), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 08:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Tim - why?? Are you the new Dada?
I have opinions about music that I would like to post on ILM, but for fear of being ridiculed, I stay away. I know what I enjoy (music wise) & I enjoy being exposed to new music or music that I wasn't aware of. I feel if i agree with people that it just appears that I am just being a yes person. ILM is great, but not for me personally.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 08:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

Fear of being ridiculed by whom? There is far more ridicule on ILE than there is on ILM, and on a much more personal level. What I fear on ILM isn't ridicule, it's being ignored. I can take ridicule; what I hate is when my threads disappear without a trace. (But shouting loudly or talking to yourself generally cures that until someone else comes along who shares your taste.)

kate (kate), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 08:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

(Thanks, I now have Adam Ant stuck in my head.)

kate (kate), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 08:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

that looks like a big glass house

chris (chris), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 08:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nobody specific, i just don't feel i have enough of a wealth of music knowledge to contribute. That's it really. If I post a thread & it's not responded to, so be it.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 08:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

YOU TELL 'EM PREACHERMAN!

(unless you're talking about someone besides me, then I hate you)

Aw, you know it's you ... No, wait, alt.fan.geri-halliwell? I don't even know you.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 08:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm a relative newbie here, and I didn't feel that much intimidated when I started to post here. But maybe that's just me, since I've never been scared of joining a new group; that it takes some time to get the injokes and feel comfortable is probably inevitable in any group, and that shouldn't scare people too much. However, you most certainly aren't the worst possible bunch. Initially, when I didn't get some of the things people were talking about, I asked about them, and you know what? The answer was never like "You Fule! You are a not part of the Inner Circle, so you don't need to know!" Someone was always kind enough to explain things to me.

As for the FAP's and such, I'm obviously unable to attend them since I don't live in the UK or the US (or New Zealand or Australia). But that's okay; I don't come here to chat with friends I'd meet anyhow outside the InterWeb. I come here because you folks are genuinely fun to talk with, and even though your threads sometime are dull and injokey and cliquesque, more often they are funny and intelligent and a pleasure to participate in. If that wouldn't be the case, you wouldn't see me here.


[SOPPY MUSIC]


[CURTAIN]

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 09:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

*applause for tuomas*

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 10:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

Chris, I agree with what you said about threads going from serious to jokey and back again. Unfortunately this doesn't always happen, and sometimes after reading a 50-post conversation which, you know, is often dull for anyone other than the people concerned, I just find myself giving up.

I wonder if the thread's author should have a moral right to be able to say "um, can we get back on topic please" when things start to disintegrate? Just a thought out loud, not a suggestion.

Mark C (Mark C), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 10:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

I usually do. Unless the thread derailment involves DDB's or Ass.

kate (kate), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 10:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

I wonder if the thread's author should have a moral right to be able to say "um, can we get back on topic please" when things start to disintegrate?

Of course they should. And people do, I'm pretty sure.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 10:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

I am pretty sure this is already in place. If someone has something serious to discuss & the thread goes off topic, it is usually brought back round to the original topic quite quickly.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

ILE's eternal question: how does Ally maintain her
nice figure (judging from the occasional picture she
posts) when she spends most of her time sitting on her
ass typing messages?

mast ace (Squirrel_Police), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

maybe she posts from a stairmaster w.an interweb connection?

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

Also how come in the month I wasn't posting I got EVEN FATTER :(

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

"enrage yrself thinner w.ilxor"

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Squirrel Police, at least log out to make your bitchy comments.

Larcole (Nicole), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't think it's the palliness that people object to, but rather the endless allusions to things that happen offboard at meetups, FAPs, etc. - this makes you feel very left out and out of the loop and unpopular if you weren't at said events.

I've never met another Ilxor, haven't been on AIM in months, and that never bothers me.

Like I said upthread: someone, somewhere, is always bitching about ILX. Either it's too pally/in-jokey/chat-roomy/twee/nice/cliquish, or it's too hostile/unsafe/argumentative/overrun-by-new-people. You can't have it both ways. You can't fix both problems. All you can do, apparently, is keep swinging back and forth between the two. The complaining is probably part of the cycle, which means we're about to be overrun with personal attacks, stalkerish behavior, and a few people leaving the boards or threatening to -- or maybe we have, cause I'm not caught up yet.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

I post jokes mostly, but that's because I'm intimidated by the level of intelligent conversation on the "serious" threads. I usually feel like anything serious I post pales in comparison and my arguments are poorly developed. I read some of the serious threads but almost never post on them anymore. When I do post on them, I regret it later. Joking is easier. Whether this is a good or bad thing, I'm not sure.

NA. (Nick A.), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't know that there's any point in mentioning this, but I tend to avoid the super-serious threads (well, not just serious but the serious and "intellectual" threads), because they're often so earnest it reminds me of my freshman/sophomore years. I can't take them seriously.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

Tep is completely OTM in both of his posts.

Josh, if the reason you left Usenet was because it became too pally, I have to wonder at how you're defining the word "pally".

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

You can't have it both ways. You can't fix both problems.

Yeah you can, in theory. It doesn't have to be either of things. In practice, maybe you're right that those are the two traps it can fall into.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

haha he put intellectual in quote marks

i read and post on the "earnest" threads bcz the chances of finding somewhere else in the world where i get my ideas this stretched or challenged = v.slim indeed

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

ILE would be much better if it wasn't for those pesky charismatic posters the others try and impress.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

WHY I LIKE "JOKEY" THREADS MORE THAN "SERIOUS" THREADS:

My take on it is that the serious threads are often less about exchanging ideas and much more about scoring points off of each other in a genteel, academic manner and if I'm going to be involved in a point-scoring contest, it's much more entertaining to me to involve dick jokes.

Conversely, I really like the way people are treated when they post personal problems to the board. The outpouring of well wishes and sympathy usually staggers me, even given that many of us have met each other.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

Like I said up thread, people are not made to contribute to all threads. If they are too 'intellectual' then you don't post to them. I don't if people are talking way above my head. There is nothing wrong with posting jokes at all. Everyone has to get out of ILE what they want. As I said, I find it helps to pass the time during my boring work.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have also found that if someone has posted about a personal problem, it is accepted & advice is offered. It is never made fun of or laughed at. This is the thing I most like about ILE.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

big ditto to Dan

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

And you say that ILM is not warm and loving... I give you:

In Praise of Kate St. Clair

I mean look! Jason and Pete fighting over my affections! You wouldn't get that on ILE!

kate (kate), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes you would!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

i am working on a masterplan (= ensure dick jokes are accepted into mainstream academic discourse BY VIRTUE OF THEIR INTELLECTUAL CONTENT) but my minions have all run in the opposite direction, the bungling fools

*accidentally releases tons of guano onto own head and suffocates*

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like the Kuhn thread even though i haven't contributed. I like having new things to think abt and i don't think of it as 'point scoring'. those threads stay with me more than the ''joke'' threads.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

A pally ILE is infinitely preferable to the ILE we had a few months ago and at other points in the past where people were tearing lumps out of each other left right and centre.

I have no problem whatsoever with chatcentric threads as long as they don't overtake other threads much, and I don't really think they do.

Incidentally, Dan in serious mode, which happens more than he gives himself credit for, is one of my favourite posters...

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

*boggle*

Wow, Matt. Thanks!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Andrew, are you stalking me online now? You know my sordid Usenet troll past! *SIGH*

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

I love both mode Dans, but the serious one puts the jokey one into brilliant relief

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm still recovering from that fucking Matthew Barney thread. I haven't been able to talk about nuttin' smart for days. And that one about Bush is just damn depressing. Dick, pussy and ass jokes recharge the ol' batteries! I thank god for you, you vulgar motherfuckers.

django (django), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

(I'm still reeling, guys. Thanks.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

Andrew, are you stalking me online now?

If you're going to say things like "I'm undetectable on Usenet" without typing your name into Google Groups, you get what's coming to you.

You know my sordid Usenet troll past!

You wish - I know your stolid a.f.g-h FAQKeeper past.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:53 (twenty-one years ago) link


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