Tiger Woods car/life crash

(sorry, there's nothing like the prospect of unemployment to make one start to lose sympathy for misbehaving millionaires.)

if we were going to say that wealth turns people into disgusting savages

wealth, lack of consequences, fame, opportunity. opportunity more than any of them, maybe.

well we could take some of that opportunity away by raising their goddamn taxes!

it's funny how when wealthy people moan that raising their marginal rates will hurt job creation, they never make it clear that they mean jobs in the nightlife-personal-services sector.

fetish dominatrices of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your chains?

I kind of doubt that the majority of millionaires lead sexually indulgent lifestyles or "act out" in major ways. I would think the majority of millionaires are crusty post-middle aged white dudes and unlikely to be playboys or majorly careless and irresponsible.

Wealth may partially explain Tiger's wanton behavior, but celebrity is far more likely to play a key role IMO.

well the majority of millionaires are likely to be crusty old white dudes, so let's maybe allow that a physically fit billionaire under the age of 35 is in a slightly different category.

^Yes, but how many of those are there? 1?

So are we to surmise that physically fit billionaires under the age of 35 are morally depraved? Okay, but I think tipsy was making the point that TW's behavior is indicative of a larger pattern of behavior amongst the very rich.

yeah, i accept that point, and am just tryin to point out that there's a number of reasons we'd all like to be very rich, and being able to do what we want is one of them. a normal loving relationship is well and good if it's all you can get, but c'mon dude's a BILLIONAIRE

plus we don't really know anything about the lives of most superrich celebrities. it's all projection. after all, poor people get up to all kinds of crazy shit, too.

i'm sure tiger is more of an irredeemable horndog than your average multi-millionaire. (well i'm not actually sure of that, but i'm willing to grant that it's likely.) my point is that he exists in this world of incredible luxury and entitlement where whatever it is that you want to indulge yourself in is made readily available to you. and no, i don't think that is an unusual thing among the very wealthy. i think it's sort of part of the point of being very wealthy. and these kinds of clubs and vip rooms and whatever else it is that enables tiger's peccadilloes also exist to cater to your hedge fund traders and real estate moguls and corporate honchos. we only ever get to see into that world via either gorgeously lit and shot magazine spreads or through the occasional eliot spitzer/tiger woods/john-thain-office-furniture type scandal. but it exists all the time, fenced off and protected from normal expectations of behavior and personal accountability. and these stories never become about that, they always turn into individual psychoanalysis (why did it he do it? because of his father?) or thumbsucking media criticism (did we make him do it?).

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poor people do get up to all kinds of crazy shit, but they tend to lack for lawyers and publicists.

I think he did it because he will never be full of himself tbh

it was because he had an asian mom and a military father iirc

poor people usually also lack anyone really caring, from the other side of that particular coin

incredible luxury and entitlement where whatever it is that you want to indulge yourself in is made readily available to you

I don't doubt that this is true, but I don't think that equates to a consequence free life. I would guess that very wealthy/successful people live under a tremendous amount of scrutiny and expectations.

I would guess that very wealthy/successful people live under a tremendous amount of scrutiny and expectations.

someone like tiger does, obviously, by virtue of being famous as well as wealthy. and i'm sure it's true to some degree for less-famous wealthy people. but they also have a lot of resources to deal with scrutiny and expectations. and, you know ... cry me a river.

Grounds for me not giving a shit about a celebrity's problems: when the celebrity has done something dodgy and uses injunctions to cover it up.

Hi, what is everyone talking about on this thread?

Tiger Woods' "Ditch Trilogy"

just talking about whether or not tiger did well to have pulled all these girls that are way, way hotter than him

I don't think that equates to a consequence free life.

Maybe I'm being paranoid but I gotta disagree: I think normal people have NO FUCKING IDEA what the super-rich get away with. Their lives are probably, in some ways, A LOT cheaper than ours, because everyone wants to do business with their money, so fees and expenses are wiped away, and the road is made smooth for them wherever they go.

^ Wow that is amazingly OTM. Relatively speaking, it's VERY expensive to be poor.

xpost yes laurel otm

I mean it's always comforting to pretend that celebrities are deeply hurt when a "crisis" such as this happens and when their "life falls apart" and feel all smug, but really.

unless you do something actually so batshit you actually get locked up properly in jail or lose all of your money or go completely mental bonkers or whatever.

laurel otm x2

No, actually, you can do something that would get a not-rich person jailtime and yet, it doesn't happen to you. You can even be batshit insane, and everyone keeps your secret and acts like your insane demands are realistic. Money insulates people from EVERYTHING in amazing ways.

Maybe I'm being paranoid but I gotta disagree: I think normal people have NO FUCKING IDEA what the super-rich get away with. Their lives are probably, in some ways, A LOT cheaper than ours, because everyone wants to do business with their money, so fees and expenses are wiped away, and the road is made smooth for them wherever they go.

Jungers also claims that Woods was "always tight with money." In addition to refusing her request for help when she needed money, she says he did not tip: "When we'd go out for dinner, he never left a tip or he'd ask for the meal to be complimentary because he was 'Tiger Woods'. I just thought that was cheap and it always embarrassed me."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/12/jamie-jungers-tiger-woods_n_390053.html

Him being a cheapskate fills me with more rage than just about anything else in this whole shitfest. I fucking HATE rich cheapskates.

xxp to kenc That's not quite what I mean, though. For instance, if you have bad credit, congrats, you just bought yourself 10x higher interest rates for everything, and if you don't drop back to just a cash-in-hand existence, you're throwing bad money after bad.

Him being a cheapskate fills me with more rage than just about anything else in this whole shitfest. I fucking HATE rich cheapskates.

Not tipping and trying to get things for free is disgusting and much worse than the harem of tacky mistresses imho.

The personal lives of famous people = wide open beavers inside

I don't even really know what Tiger Woods did or did not do, and fuck me sideways if I care

Not to be pseudo-righteous. I really honestly don't care.

I fucking HATE rich cheapskates.

Absolutely indefensible.

hmm so we're all just hating on the rich dude now.

and not the freeloader?

I'm hating on the rich dude who abuses the privilege.

I mean, yeah it goes on a lot:

There's a local celeb type person that seems to have some sort of arrangement with a local restaurant, I don't know who wants to be in that sort of position, I assume he's a millionaire..... Anyroad up, gets a meal, gets a very visible table, the night I saw him he had a party of about 10 people, one of whom was also famous.

Anyway, back in the room, at the end of the night, they get the whole place to do the conga, and so on, and every one goes home happy (I guess)...

Obviously the difference is that the restaurant is happy for all this to go on, no-one's going "hey waive the check right?" but as I say, 'it's another world sometimes....'

hmm so we're all just hating on the rich dude now.
― stop grieving, it's only a chicken (darraghmac), Monday, 14 December 2009 16:36 (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I'm hating on the rich dude who abuses the privilege.
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hmm so we're all just hating on the rich dude now.

I reckon so.

Tiger may not tip but I believe he likes to go one eighth Dutch

I don't know that I'm hating on him, but I think it's just plain silly to forget that the world is different for the very rich. A lot of people of that status, we just barely ever hear about as they live in relative seclusion compared to "celebrities" except maybe on the social pages, and they go on making obscene money and being slightly crazy behind the scenes. It's different w people like TW because he WAS "one of us" who rose to his current crazy place.

nah, tiger woods was never raised as 'one of us', in fairness

i am not tiger woods

Fine, he was a sports prodigy but he wasn't, like, an ASTOR.

but in terms of how he was raised to view his own inevitable place, earl's parentoring etc

i think that more than wealth, is more likely to be a factor in how he's been treating the disposables that inhabit his world

so is okay if I hate him or not?

I mean, I've got things to do, I need a decision here.

it is okay

it is laudable for short term popularity, but will not make you a happier person.

or richer

unless you've previously shagged him and kept some text messages