― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 23:36 (twenty years ago) link
Enjoy Chile! It's an amazing country.
― Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 01:23 (twenty years ago) link
Viña del Mar reminded me of what I imagine Florida to be like...
― Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 01:25 (twenty years ago) link
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 01:25 (twenty years ago) link
Also if you go to Chile and don't ride at least one dodgy funicular then you suck!
― Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 01:27 (twenty years ago) link
― charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 05:18 (twenty years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 05:19 (twenty years ago) link
i would like to thank the american assosciation of dairy farmers for making this "joke" possible.
― Ian Johnson (orion), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 06:24 (twenty years ago) link
I always regretted missing out on Chiloe. All that witchcraft and scorcery.
Don't forget to rub Magellan's shiny toe.
― Mikey G (Mikey G), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 08:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 11:26 (twenty years ago) link
not that this will be of interest to many people but fucking Chile just voted the right in for the first time since the the 1960s. Fuck fuck fuck.
― Isambard Kingdom Buñuel (jim in glasgow), Sunday, 17 January 2010 23:42 (fourteen years ago) link
and the irony of it is, outgoing prez Michelle Bachelet is hugely popular.
― collardio gelatinous, Monday, 18 January 2010 04:42 (fourteen years ago) link
Just ate at a restaurant in l'eixample, Barcelona to celebrate the bicentennial of this fucked /cool country.ceviche, an empanada, sopaipillas, chupe de mariscos, pastel de choclo, a wee pisco sour. Would've preferred to be there, but was a nice way to mark the occasion. Viva chile mierda.
― Efraqueen Juárez (jim in glasgow), Saturday, 18 September 2010 23:23 (thirteen years ago) link
jim, how did you end up spending so long in chile? work? family?
― jed_, Sunday, 19 September 2010 04:00 (thirteen years ago) link
My connection with chile is family : my dad's from there. Not spent as much time there as I'd liked to have, i've visited 4 times, twice for 3 weeks and twice for a month, twice as a child and twice in the last couple of years. Have often pondered going to live there for a while but i'm not nearly bold enough for a cross continent move and use my execrable Spanish, or whatever, as an excuse.
Although I don't know the country all that well it's often in my thoughts, this year especially -the earthquake, the right getting back in, my grandmother passing away, the miners, the football team making the world cup.
Planning a trip for autumn next year. Might take in some of the north of the country, where I've never been.
― Efraqueen Juárez (jim in glasgow), Monday, 20 September 2010 15:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Has anyone been to Vina del Mar lately? I am taking my niece to go a wedding and I have only ever stayed in Valparaiso, but now most of my family has moved to Vina. I used to go to every winter break to visit my grandmother and that would include a trip to the beach in Vina, but I haven't been since she died probably 10 or 12 years ago.
― svend, Friday, 22 July 2011 01:58 (twelve years ago) link
So, it's all happening in Santiago. Nationwide strike and a charismatic communist student leader. Mash-notey, Green Day-soundtracked YouTube homage to her here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V3p2MPB2UE&feature=player_embedded
― Now he's doing horse (DL), Friday, 26 August 2011 15:57 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2011/aug/26/chile-national-strike-violence-santiago?picture=378287810
― Now he's doing horse (DL), Friday, 26 August 2011 15:58 (twelve years ago) link
Good protest gallery over at the Guardian.
Oh hey, I'll be here for 6 weeks. I have enough family there to tell me about basic stuff, so... where the Santiago record stores and Villalobos style parties at?
― ed.b, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 04:26 (nine years ago) link
For records: you need to check out this awesome labyrinth of a flea market on weekends called the Persa Bio Bio, a few blocks east of the Franklin metro station on the yellow line. It's a bit hard to describe so I'll let this link explain it: http://www.santiagomagazine.cl/living/el-persa-bio-bio-flea-market-done-right
Anyhow, ask for "Johnny's Records". Tons of vinyl. Lots of fun. If you have any curiosity or interest, you might want to ask for suggestions regarding Chilean folklore music, possibly of revolutionary inclination. There's some really beautiful, powerful stuff you could probably pick up for a good price.
Other good record shops right near Metro Los Leones, particularly Sonar Tienda and Disqueria Funtracks.
For electronic music, check out Club La Feria up in Bellavista. It's kind of the default. I couldn't tell you about where the underground clubs or parties are (I go back to Chile -where I spent my childhood- every few years, but live in Boston), but if you pm me I can connect you to a friend or cousin who would.
Hope you have a fantastic time!
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 07:36 (nine years ago) link
i go to chile
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Sunday, 12 July 2015 22:36 (eight years ago) link
going in september to ski volcanoes but would also appreciate any other intel on cool things to do
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Sunday, 12 July 2015 22:37 (eight years ago) link
Villaricca is a good volcano, you can't ski it but you do sled down on your arse. It's in the lake district which is gorgeous.
Also hit up Valparaiso if you can, and at the opposite end of the country the Torres Del Paine trek is stunning. Santiago's kind of nothingy.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 13 July 2015 09:09 (eight years ago) link
Anyway, lovely country lovely people. Hope you're not a vegetarian.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 13 July 2015 09:15 (eight years ago) link
dunno if we'll make it all the way down to Torres Del Paine (though I'd like to). valparaiso is definitely on my list, though, seems like a pretty cool town
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 13 July 2015 15:30 (eight years ago) link
i go there 2day
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Friday, 4 September 2015 17:56 (eight years ago) link
Say hello to the Andes for me. And watch out for earthquakes.
― Aimless, Friday, 4 September 2015 18:03 (eight years ago) link
have fun! it is an amazing place. eat seafood or peruvian because most of chilean food is garbage
― marcos, Friday, 4 September 2015 18:06 (eight years ago) link
yeah i was googling about chilean food and pretty much everyone says that -- which was sort of a bummer since i love to eat but sticking to a diet of peruvian and seafood sounds AOK to me
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Friday, 4 September 2015 18:17 (eight years ago) link
it is fwiw baffling to me that a country as bounteous as chile would have mediocre cuisine, esp since they produce good wines
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Friday, 4 September 2015 18:18 (eight years ago) link
yea it is weird. my very quick speculation based on spending only a few months there about 10 years ago says that:
1) there is a big fast food culture, so places serving shit like hot dogs, sandwiches, fried chicken, and french fries are widespread2) there is less of an indigenous presence compared with neighbors like peru or bolivia, or other latin american countries like mexico3) the cultural influences at play in chile (spanish, german, and some indigenous but again considerably less so than other latin american countries) are gastronomically less interesting than other countries, e.g. peru (spanish, indigenous, chinese, japanese, african), argentina (spanish, italian), brazil (portuguese, indigenous, african)
that said it has miles and miles and miles of coastline so yea the seafood will be spectacular. also the areas with stronger indigenous presences (e.g. chiloe) have incredible food
― marcos, Friday, 4 September 2015 18:29 (eight years ago) link
you can get really good seafood all over chile. I particularly enjoy merluza negra aka Patagonian toothfish aka "Chilean seabass", and all sorts of chupes aka stews that are made from different types of seafood. you can get them made out of locos - these things https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concholepas_concholepas - if you like mayonnaise (which is important for enjoying Chilean sandwiches/hot dogs) locos mayo (just locos served with mayonnaise) is pretty delicious.
so yeah, the sandwiches. I love Chilean sandwiches. well i loved, I am a vegan now, which will make my next visit to chile somewhat more difficult. homemade bread, some sort of meat, and tomatoes, chili, mayonnaise, avocado etc. steak with green beans is a chacarero. a completo is a hot dog with the works, where the meat is more like the condiment than vice versa.
ceviche is good, peruvian ceviche probably better but luckily there are plenty of peruvian restaurants.
average chilean meal at home is like a piece of meat, some potatoes and some vegetables. luckily the vegetables are very good! it's spring so artichokes will be in season i think.
the fruit cherimoya is pretty great, don't think it'll be in season, and also they cultivate them in California so you've quite probably had one before (although i never see them here in Vancouver bc despite the preponderance of Californian fruit, not even at stupid wholefoods).
empanadas are also good. September is "el mes de la patria", independence day on the 18th and the anniversary of the coup on the 11th. traditional empanada around this time is empanada de pino that contains minced beef, boiled egg, raisins, etc. might sound bad but is really tasty. you can also get fried empanadas with cheese which are dece. also drink some chicha (maize booze) out of a horn thing if the chance arises.
I really enjoy Chilean bread. pan amasado, pan hallula. nice sort of scone-like little round breads that are tasty with some butter and cheese.
little fried pastries called sopaipillas that can be savoury or sweet are tasty.
typically Chilean creole "drink" called mote con huesillo (boiled wheat husks, in a syrupy liquid with a re-hydrated dried peach) is worth trying for sure.
― you too could be called a 'Star' by the Compliance Unit (jim in glasgow), Friday, 4 September 2015 18:57 (eight years ago) link
oh yeah and pisco sour is so obvious but in the north of chile they grow these limes calles limones de pica that are kind of like key limes and are basically essential to a proper pisco sour.
― you too could be called a 'Star' by the Compliance Unit (jim in glasgow), Friday, 4 September 2015 19:02 (eight years ago) link
called not calles
mmm cherimoya
― sleeve, Friday, 4 September 2015 19:07 (eight years ago) link
chileans love them some beef too. most meals I had there involved beef and potatoes.. not awesome but not heinous
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 4 September 2015 19:10 (eight years ago) link
choripan = bbq'd chorizo on a bun.
― you too could be called a 'Star' by the Compliance Unit (jim in glasgow), Friday, 4 September 2015 19:13 (eight years ago) link
quite like chilean empanadas actually. the ones i've had didn't have raisins in them, though
i've had other latin american countries' empanadas, and i think my favourites are the ones from chile and argentina (their salteñas)
not a fan of the icing sugar on the peruvian ones
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Friday, 4 September 2015 19:26 (eight years ago) link
never been to chile but I gotta post when someone actually mentions salteñas bc they're the best, paceños forever
I love going to South America just for the fruit tbh
― droit au butt (Euler), Friday, 4 September 2015 20:29 (eight years ago) link
oh man, yeah.
pacae, lucuma (-flavoured ice cream), platano de la isla/manzano, maracuya, guanabana, granadilla, cherimoya
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Friday, 4 September 2015 20:50 (eight years ago) link
thanks guys! I am so hungry now
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Friday, 4 September 2015 20:58 (eight years ago) link
yeah in La Paz there's this bougie resto Dumbo on the Prado that makes amazing fruit drinks, w or w/o milk. I love their tumbo drink, tastes like all the best fruits all mixed together, like a liquid fruit cocktail as you get in cans in the USA
― droit au butt (Euler), Friday, 4 September 2015 21:00 (eight years ago) link
jugo de maracuya is the best, lucuma also delicious
― sleeve, Friday, 4 September 2015 21:05 (eight years ago) link
I had a pastel de choclo which was topped with caramelised sugar, like a creme brûlée. That was a really weird experience.
― suffeeciant attreebution (aldo), Saturday, 5 September 2015 16:50 (eight years ago) link
i don't think it's the same thing but i had sweet humita in peru, which was really, really good
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Sunday, 6 September 2015 01:20 (eight years ago) link
sweet humitas are really good
In Santiago we ate out at this place and my friend ordered pastel de choclo and it tasted like cigarette ash :(
― marcos, Sunday, 6 September 2015 11:17 (eight years ago) link
I think the thing in chile is that everything is really oversweetened (to the point of being like, a public concern) and yeah, fast food culture. My favourite thing was humitas with diced tomatos and avocado with some olive oil mixed in. And marraquettas, which I think are supposed to be the de facto national bread, are great. Empanadas are delicious. Chilean sandwiches are weird. Aside from seafood all the best restaurants I ate at were Peruvian, because omg authentic peruvian food.
― EDB, Sunday, 6 September 2015 15:43 (eight years ago) link
yesterday we skied a Cerro and then went to a rodeo
life is good
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Tuesday, 8 September 2015 01:18 (eight years ago) link
henry kissinger lived just long enough to see a socialist take power in chile again.— Asinus Pervicax (@Cato_of_Utica) December 20, 2021
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 20 December 2021 12:03 (two years ago) link
enshallah
― symsymsym, Monday, 20 December 2021 16:26 (two years ago) link
🚀 FUN FACT: The Swiftie candidate for the presidency of Chile, @gabrielboric has won the elections! 🇨🇱He shares that he discovered @TaylorSwift13 during the pandemic and that his favorite album is "Folklore." pic.twitter.com/683H746hhK— The Swift Society (@TheSwiftSociety) December 20, 2021
― CarlosDP, Monday, 20 December 2021 16:44 (two years ago) link
Mark Fisher, espectro y legado, a través de la lectura del ahora Presidente electo de Chile, @gabrielboric.https://t.co/vUT9FZLbBG pic.twitter.com/qS7gloSw4g— Caja Negra Editora (@cajanegraedit) December 20, 2021
― CarlosDP, Monday, 20 December 2021 16:45 (two years ago) link
there are also photos of Boric wearing Radiohead & NIN hats. hope he turns out to be a great president cuz I think he rules
― frogbs, Tuesday, 21 December 2021 04:05 (two years ago) link
lmao
Chilean reddit is going ham with Boric memes pic.twitter.com/vn5CnoI5Oi— ❄️🎄☃️🌹Garrison Grogan🌹 ☃️🎄❄️ (@gammison) December 20, 2021
― frogbs, Tuesday, 21 December 2021 04:06 (two years ago) link
These CIA budget cuts have been brutal. https://t.co/Rr8HZkiuRP— David Weigel (@daveweigel) December 20, 2021
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 21 December 2021 09:58 (two years ago) link
https://t.co/LCot5R9JpV pic.twitter.com/eBQWxVyV49— Crowsa Luxemburg (@quendergeer) January 22, 2022
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 22 January 2022 14:44 (two years ago) link
The Estallido Social in Chile from 2019-2020/-the present was one of the most powerful revolts of the last ten years. It went further than toppling a government, it won the chance for the social movements to rewrite the Constitution.As predicted, that strategy has failed. pic.twitter.com/tYXNk7dN1P— PeterGelderloos (@PeterGelderloos) May 16, 2022
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 09:40 (two years ago) link
Yeah, attempts to nationalize the mining sector in Chile have not historically gone without complications...
But there are 499 articles in the draft, and even if the entire document is rejected (as looks likely) in the September plebiscite, we don't know to what extent its tenets (such as recognition of greater autonomy of indigenous nations) will be implemented via other means.
This story ain't over.
― keen reverberations of twee (collardio gelatinous), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 21:15 (two years ago) link
Yeah, things are built stone by stone. A lot of anarchists ofc are writing it off (see also Peru) because voting, but my distanced sense is that these things won't go away.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 21:18 (two years ago) link
Few things messier in the world than trying to finalize a constitution (hell, it's a nightmare just trying to agree on a non-profit's Mission Statement).
It's definitely not as fun as crowding into the Plaza de Italia and singing your lungs out.
― keen reverberations of twee (collardio gelatinous), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 21:25 (two years ago) link
Ugh. ^ I’d like to take that last sentence back. Comes off totally disrespectful.
― keen reverberations of twee (collardio gelatinous), Thursday, 19 May 2022 02:55 (two years ago) link
Cry more bitch!
It is a woke and fiscally irresponsible mess https://t.co/TlzZriYrqs— The Economist (@TheEconomist) July 6, 2022
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 July 2022 16:44 (one year ago) link
they really need to stop calling things woke
― symsymsym, Thursday, 7 July 2022 16:50 (one year ago) link
Does the Economist do this a lot? It's a bit of a surprise..
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 July 2022 17:00 (one year ago) link
Is that a joke
― Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Thursday, 7 July 2022 17:07 (one year ago) link
Instructive to compare this to their enthusiastic support of the Pinochet coup.
https://www.economist.com/news/2008/07/03/the-end-of-allende
― Piedie Gimbel, Thursday, 7 July 2022 17:11 (one year ago) link
the editorial does not in fact deploy the word "woke" in the headline or in the text
― mark s, Thursday, 7 July 2022 17:16 (one year ago) link
I didn't want to register (Esp after that picture of a bog roll).
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 July 2022 17:20 (one year ago) link
It's not only a much better constitution than the precedent one (imo), but would look to be pretty dope on its own regards (imo again).
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 7 July 2022 17:22 (one year ago) link
I assume you were joking xyzzzz__ but I guess if anyone didn’t know
At various points in its storied history, @TheEconomist opposed famine relief to Ireland, expressed sympathy for the Confederate States of America, was lukewarm about universal suffrage, opposed Britain's entry into World War I, and cheered the coup against Allende in Chile.— Dhruva Jaishankar (@d_jaishankar) April 1, 2020
― Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Thursday, 7 July 2022 17:24 (one year ago) link
Xpost
Wokeness is a clear subtext in the piece ("lol, talking about gender, being nice to animals and the right to housing??"). I guess it's the mullet approach to editorial: business at the front in print, party at the back on social media.
― Piedie Gimbel, Thursday, 7 July 2022 17:24 (one year ago) link
Or just saying the quiet bit out loud for the clicks.
― Piedie Gimbel, Thursday, 7 July 2022 17:26 (one year ago) link
Beautiful.
I don't know guys, I think the new Chilean constitution actually sounds pretty good! https://t.co/Wp8QMKTDpt pic.twitter.com/gofKzsCWGC— Gary McQuiggin (@ggaaarrryyyy) July 7, 2022
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 July 2022 18:42 (one year ago) link
Thinking it's too good to get passed.
I'm sure The Economist patted Sri Lanka on the back.
sri lanka has been under 16 IMF programs and none have worked— jude 🌍 (@whoajude) July 7, 2022
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 8 July 2022 08:37 (one year ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXG6xgKVsAEKLKL?format=jpg&name=medium
sick burn
― calzino, Friday, 8 July 2022 12:38 (one year ago) link
I guess it's the mullet approach to editorial: business at the front in print, party at the back on social media.
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Friday, 8 July 2022 12:43 (one year ago) link
Finally done decent reporting on the constitution.
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/chile-constitution/
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 16 July 2022 18:17 (one year ago) link
*some
🚨🇨🇱 Scores of UChicago professors and alumni have written to President @gabrielboric to slam the "shameful legacy" of the Chicago Boys that collaborated with Dictator Pinochet to write the 1980 constitution that has strangled Chile https://t.co/BaywoAfgEq— David Adler (@davidrkadler) September 2, 2022
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 2 September 2022 15:32 (one year ago) link
Don't forget: 80% of Chileans voted to bury Pinochet's constitution back in October 2020. The plebiscite today will come down to the wire, no doubt. But regardless of the outcome, there is no going back. Only steps forward on the path to a new Chilean republic.— David Adler (@davidrkadler) September 4, 2022
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 4 September 2022 15:29 (one year ago) link
not quite down to the wire
― flopson, Monday, 5 September 2022 03:54 (one year ago) link
Yup, Adler is in "fight continues" mode. And the only reason we've had this vote is because of street protests.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 5 September 2022 07:20 (one year ago) link
The proposed new Chilean constitution began the year with majority support, which then crumbled as the disinformation specialists got to work and rumors spread that it would legalize abortion up to the moment of birth, allow people's homes to be confiscated, etc. pic.twitter.com/4eDDIHqUVg— 🦀 Jon 🦀 Schwarz 🦀 (@schwarz) September 5, 2022
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 5 September 2022 08:01 (one year ago) link
The Mapuches were colonized in the Occupation of the Araucanía (1883) and the Quechuas and Aymaras in the War of the Pacific (1884). Pinochet passed terror laws to steal Mapuche lands in the 1980s. The plurinational constitution would've returned Native self-determination. 2/— New Amauta (@AmautaNew) September 5, 2022
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 5 September 2022 08:40 (one year ago) link
Like so many Chileans, I'm painfully disappointed that the majority could reject principles of equality and respect outlined in #NuevaConstitucion - principles that came out of a direct cry from the estallido https://t.co/WDjz470DdW— Naomi Larsson Piñeda (@naomilars) September 6, 2022
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 6 September 2022 13:04 (one year ago) link
https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Constitutional-Council-in-Chile-Remains-in-the-Center-Right-20230508-0001.html
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 8 May 2023 08:21 (one year ago) link