This is the thread where we talk about Roseanne.

um, well in any circumstances, u have to consider the politics. it's unavaoidable. so to a certain extent, yes i think that if you're about to say something that sounds quite tactless and offensive, it would be pretty dumb of you to not stop and think, "do i want my reputation to be dumb and tactless?"

everybody thinks about image/where u stand socially. it's not low it's just necessary.

i mean it jus sucks for her, cuz now this woman that i thought was like some versin of God is slightly tainted in my eyes. u don't go around saying being gay is about being obsessed with yourself. please

Roseanne built her entire career on being tactless, though. On being provocative and -- not dumb, but certainly not "intellectual". On cutting through certain situations and issues like a loud fart in a boardroom.

absolutely, but she was also usually sensitive to different types of ppl, at least with regard to her acting.

i think maybe this "fart" would have been different had she chosen her words better. i never thought of her as insensitive to different kinds of ppl. and to imply that a gay man's existence can be chalked up to getting off on himself is cleaerly insensitive.

i love her brand of nonintellectual clarity, but here it seemed like she was just ready to fart just to fart.

thanks i've now typed font at least three times.

lol *fart

to imply that a gay man's existence can be chalked up to getting off on himself is cleaerly insensitive.

Except of course that's not what she said at all. She said that some people say this and that in the context of political activism those people might have a point.

she may not have said that EXACTLY, but i wouldn't agree with "thats not what she said at all."

"some ppl say being gay is about narcissism and sometimes i wonder"

is way too vague/insensitive/silly to be considered a "nonintellectual take on grappling the issues"

she may not have said that gays and lesbians are looking at themselves in the mirror wanking off, but she also left a lot of room for reading into it. which is why she was attacked for it after the fact.

"Sometimes I wonder" in this sentence seems pretty clearly to mean "when I think about politically activist gay people, I wonder".

She was attacked for it after the fact at least in part because it was a good way for gay political groups to get their soundbites into the media.

i'm not really sure why we're arguing, i don't think we disagree much.

her words were lackluster, her message perhaps valid if explored through better means.

at least in part because it was a good way for gay political groups to get their soundbites into the media.

and yes i can agree with this

And that might be a good thing! Roseanne got to be provocative to teh gays AND let the gay activist groups harp on their soundbites. Win/win!

haha true enuf!

in any event still think she's one of the best TV personalities eva

haha what a weird conversation. Ramzi, that was such a typically Roseanne thing for her to say. I think I heard her deliver that line on Bill Maher or something. She might have also said something about gays being fashion designers because they hate women, or maybe that was her stand-up.

lol. beth ditto was doing the fashion designer schpiel for a while too.

yeah, it's business as usual

haha yup

i'm a sucker for Bridge Over Troubled Sonny, which of course makes sense. But every time I watch it I get all emotional.

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the episode where jackie leaves for cop training is great. i want a sister like that.

oh my fucking god, the end of that episode where dan and roseanne sing that "i got you" song to each other AAAAHHHHHHHH!!!

this show made me want to move to Ohio and buy a craftsman home and eat loose meat sandwiches

They lived in Illinois

Essential reading

i do not know brangelina

and do not mean to personally impugn them as they might be good people in the flesh, but the media's images of them are smelly and vile, and I must always attack the media's representation of what is good or cool, because those who inhabit the media world of glamour and entertainment and fashion and gossip are horrid people who have no talent of any kind, and yet think of themselves as tastemakers. taste my sandy buttcrack, tmz, and perez!

makes me miss anthony

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ah those smelly media images

lolz yes those victims of child abuse, always running their mouths

"and her sister agreed"

"Now go back to making your movies about women who love to handle big guns that shoot hundreds of people to death."

OOOH BURN no wait that sounds rad

i never watched this when it was on due to a combination of being easily embarassed, probably not being allowed, and living outside of the U.S. for a chunk of its run, but they show an hour of it on chicago tv every morning at 8 and i've been watching it every day and it's great

I remember a time when I was young enough to have to be in bed when Roseanne was on (9:30?) and hearing so much laughter from downstairs where my parents were watching it that I just assumed it was the funniest show in the world. Looking back, it was probably the canned laughter I heard.

Still, a pretty damn great show in its prime.

Sarah Gilbert is damn pretty.

And she looks exactly the freaking same to this day!

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classic jackie in the last minute or so of this clip:

WTF at tim curry in this episode of roseanne?

huh joseph gordon-leavitt

been watching season 2 this week (so good) and one of the things that strikes is you is the extent to which it's incumbent on the actors to pull of writing that (sometimes) wouldn't necessarily be that funny on the page. so many of the laffs are from just some moment of quirky, honest timing, instead of some set-em-up knock-em-down joeks that any actor could recite to adequate effect, & the whole thing feels loose and true in a way that no other network sitcom i can think of does.

the storyline about roseanne having to work all these shitty jobs is pretty real. like she gets fired from clucky's chicken or smthg and then gets a job in a beauty salon sweeping hair. but she likes the people there and when she gets promoted to shampoo girl she mentions it in a slightly embarassed way at dinner. dan responds in a way i can identify with, which is to try to build rosie up but by denigrating the job: "hey, it's work...you shouldn't be embarrassed" etc implying she's better than this temporary station but in the process suggesting the job itself is degrading. and rosie responds with "yeah, yknow it is degrading work, but nobody there makes me feel that it is -- THATS YOUR JOB, RIGHT DAN?" but it's such a subtle little dance of intentions and implications. you can totally sympathize with both sides. i'm not really doing it justice here, of course.

In a lot of ways this show was perfect.

yup, for a while at least. i don't know when it fell off (haven't read the thread) but i kind of want to revisit those episodes at the end when the writers started jumping great piles of sharks, esp the lottery stuff, to see if just maybe it was some misread meta genius shit. doubtful tho. or just to see the spectacular flameout...

it was just bonkers at the end. i remember drew carey doing similar stunt bullshit at the end of their run too

i bet you can trace the jump the shark moment to when they had john popper sing lyrics on the theme song.

i have been watching season 2 this week too! love the ep where becky gets wasted