HEALTHCARE THREAD

it is stressing me out but really only to a point, because, ultimately, fuck it, if we lose insurance then we get divorced so my wife can go on medicaid, plus, none of her doctors will refuse her treatment for an inability to pay. the worst that owuld happen would be...what? we don't pay our bills? who fucking cares? my credit gets ruined? well then we just won't buy a house, I really couldn't give a shit. as it is we have insurance and still owe upwards of 10k for this year of medical treatment alone, and we just informed the hospital that they can have fun trying to get this money since we don't have it. they said they'd let us know.

but you know, yeah, I'd rather this bill pass and they use it as a foundation for improvement. people who disagree with this want the sun and the moon.

it distresses me mostly because a Democratic president with Democratic majorities in both houses of congress, with huge public support, following on the heels of the most disastrous administration in history STILL could not pass a single-payer healthcare plan or even anything remotely resembling it. cue Kent Brockman: "I've said it before and I'll say it again, democracy just ... doesn't ... work"

and they think they're gonna pass an even more contentious climate change bill next year? yeah fucking right.

yeah it's the senate that is disappointing in this case, on the other hand, Dems only barely have a majority, and in fact, in reality, don't, because Leiberman is barely there for them. Give us a real Dem majority and this would have gone better.

just think: if we had a house of representatives with no senate, obama would have signed into law a bill with a public option a couple weeks ago

tbf there are a lot fewer loonies in the senate than there are in the House tho

key # is loonies per capita, tho

well i'm just glad that cunt lieberman got to be the belle of the ball one last time.

anyways, fuck these guys. i want to see the GOP RUINED. should i start campaigning for wingnut 'conservative party' candidates now?

GOP's gonna pick up seats - will be interesting if Reid gets voted out. He hasn't been a very effective Senate leader imho.

plus he's basically a holdover from the "let's appease Dubya" era

yeah he sucks.

short of raising LBJ from the dead im not sure who would make a more effective leader given the sad mix of crybabies and primadonnas us democratic party members have representing our interests in the greatest deliberative body in the world

chuck schumer?

Barbara Mikulski!

lol like joe would listen to barbara mikulski

Joe's gonna lose his reelection bid, I imagine

joes got jobs and directorships awaiting him i imagine

I'm sure Pfizer would love to have him

i have felt this disgusted in the american political process since at least 1984

really? do tell

For me, the end of Reconstruction.

Nelson has met three times in the past nine days with Obama. His Nebraska-based chief of staff, Tim Becker, spent the day in Washington in discussions with administration officials on details of recent negotiations between his boss and the president.

While Nelson is seeking stricter curbs on abortions in the insurance system the bill would establish, he also has raised issues in his home state that are unrelated to the health care legislation, according to an official with close ties to the senator.

O RLY. Too bad yr anti-choice amendment already got voted down you piece of shit

this is bummin me out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOe8zpHWgio&feature=player_embedded

left is pissed

and I am too. I don't think the bill should be killed per se, but unless the left threatens to abandon it the only people getting concessions are gonna be jackasses like Droopy and Nelson

and they think they're gonna pass an even more contentious climate change bill next year? yeah fucking right.

I think both bills will pass, and both will be weakened and sabotaged by zero GOP support and idiotic democrat "compromises" that they won't be nearly as effective as they can and should be. The difference is that weakened HRC will affect the lives if millions of Americans, while weakened climate change action will affect the lives of the whole goddamned world.

one thing that bugs is that going into this whole thing, my opinion was "one outcome that i definitely DONT want to happen is to have a mandate with no public option." thats medicare part d all over again, and will end up breaking the system down the road. plus i think it is very bad policy.

i mean, it was an outcome i specifically did not want, and now several scolding sites are all "ha u didnt know that could happen? why u play this game, u STUPID, scrub losers!" guys, i totally knew that insurers would want to make this happen. i specifically did not want this to happen. so pardon me, pass the fucker, but brother plz.

one outcome that i definitely DONT want to happen is to have a mandate with no public option

^this. i really thought the stars were aligned, not necessarily for a perfect - or even great - bill, but at least THIS wouldn't happen. ugh.

The ONLY way "the left" is going to have leverage with Dem give-the-store-away leaders is to show that they'll vote for (and contribute to) parties to the Dems' left. Deny it all you want, and watch let every major issue go down the drain like this one.

watch THEM let

yes, that strategy worked well when it gave us 8 years of the worst president of all time

yeah, it is all ralph nader's fault

supporting unelectable left wing candidates to hammer home the point that you dont like the healthcare bill is going to get you no health care reform at all, instead of partial health care reform

you know what forget i said anything this is an argument i have no interest in engaging in

is there a term for a compromise that angers everyone and pleases nobody

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yes the term for that is "compromise"

Al fucking-coward Gore gave us 8 years of the worst president

What if Mother Mary Had Obamacare?
by Chuck Norris
12/15/2009

Washington is up to its old political shell game again, this time in an unprecedented way.

While Americans are focused upon the Christmas season and the mainstream media on health care and President Barack Obama's two trips to Europe (last week to Oslo and this week to Copenhagen), the Democrats in Congress have slipped major pro-abortion legislation under the radar.

First, last Monday the Senate rejected the health care reform bill amendment introduced by Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., and Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, that would have banned federal funds from providing for abortion.

Then, on Thursday, the House of Representatives rushed the clandestine approval of an overinflated $1 trillion omnibus bill, which includes 5,224 earmarks -- costing about $3.9 billion -- and an underhanded provision that would overturn a long-standing budget ban in the District of Columbia (whose budget is overseen by Congress) for federally funding abortions.

Then, after the Democratic-controlled Senate cleared a procedural vote on Saturday needed to end a Republican filibuster, in yet another near-secret Sunday afternoon session, the Senate passed the omnibus bill and the provision for Washington, D.C. Tragically, the bill also would appropriate $648.5 million for "international family planning" funding (an increase of $103 million over 2009) and would give funding for Planned Parenthood and the United Nations Population Fund, both of which have pro-abortion agendas.

In short, while President Obama was accepting the Nobel Peace Prize, the Democrats in Congress drove a sword through the womb of the unborn.

Congress' latest pro-abortion strategy is a radical divergence from -- and sheer contradiction of -- Obama's Sept. 9 promise that under Democrats' health care reform plan, "no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions."

But the big question and bottom line, as Hatch asked, is: "Why should people of conscience be forced to participate in any aspect of abortion?"

Washington certainly has reached a new low by forcing American citizens who oppose abortion to pay for abortions via their taxes in this massively comprehensive way. Is it intentionally trying to spark the next Boston Tea Party? When our greatest values are thrown under the omnibus, how do they expect us to respond? (Washington's wild spending and abandonment of traditional values and our Founders' vision is what prompted me to add a 64-page expansion to the new paperback version of my New York Times best-seller Black Belt Patriotism, being released in January through Fidelis Books. See the new Web site at http://www.BlackBeltPatriotism.com.)

Obama and Congress' pro-abortion steps are being taken despite a recent nationwide survey that revealed that 4 in 5 U.S. adults would limit abortion's legality. One in 3 would limit abortion to rape, incest or the saving of a mother's life. One in 3 also would limit abortion to either the first three or first six months. Only 9 percent said abortion should be legal for any reason at any time during pregnancy.

Now is the critical time for action. If you haven't done so, contact your representative and senators at 202-224-3121 or through http://www.house.gov and http://www.senate.gov and then the White House at 202-456-2111 or http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/contact.

Tell your representative and senators to quit fast-tracking these momentous bills without periods for debate and during secret sessions on weekends, when America is least attentive.

Tell your representative and senators of your extreme disappointment in their approving the outrageous omnibus spending bill, spending frivolously under America's recession and adding more to our national debt.

Tell your representative and senators to support the Stupak-Pitts amendment and the Nelson-Hatch amendment in the House and Senate health care bills, thus preventing the federal funding of abortion via Obamacare.

Call or write the White House and demand that President Obama veto the outrageous omnibus bill (with pro-abortion provisions and more than 5,200 earmarks).

Join the 300,000 people who have signed The Manhattan Declaration to fight for the unborn (http://www.ManhattanDeclaration.org).

Share this column with your pro-life clergyman, family and friends, and encourage them to mobilize the troops on these pieces of legislation.

Get involved with a local pro-life organization, like my wife, Gena, who supports the Dallas Council for Life and the Dallas Pregnancy Resource Center.

Lastly, as we near the eve of another Christmas, I wonder: What would have happened if Mother Mary had been covered by Obamacare? What if that young, poor and uninsured teenage woman had been provided the federal funds (via Obamacare) and facilities (via Planned Parenthood, etc.) to avoid the ridicule, ostracizing, persecution and possible stoning because of her out-of-wedlock pregnancy? Imagine all the great souls who could have been erased from history and the influence of mankind if their parents had been as progressive as Washington's wise men and women! Will Obamacare morph into Herodcare for the unborn?

America doesn't need to turn the page on culture wars, such as the one on abortion. It needs to reopen the pages of its history to our Founders' elevated views of and rights for all human beings (including those in the womb), as documented in the Declaration of Independence and our Constitution. We need to revive and re-instill their value of humanity back into society, our children and our children's children.

And most of all, Washington needs to run our government as Thomas Jefferson outlined in an 1809 letter: "The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government."

(Don't miss my Christmas column next week, titled "Away With the Manger," about how the feds are whitewashing America's Judeo-Christian heritage via a progressive, politically correct and pro-Muslim platform.)

to be totally fair, american voters gave us 8 years of the worst president ever

while u were out i drove a sword through the womb of the unborn

does that even make sense??

the womb of the unborn? n/m it's chuck norris

is there a term for a compromise that angers everyone and pleases nobody

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― Magnolia Caboose Babyfinger (Shakey Mo Collier),

yes the term for that is "compromise"

― max

^^^^ lolol

In short, while President Obama was accepting the Nobel Peace Prize, the Democrats in Congress drove a sword through the womb of the unborn.

what kind of sword - like, a samurai sword? excalibur?

I need to know

If the unborn already HAVE a womb, what do they want MINE for???

I'm with the progressive opponents. Anything that forces me to buy into present for-profit insurance options without offering an opportunity to pair a fair rate for minimal base coverage via medicare extension doesn't interest me.

My sympathies to those of you with dependents. As someone with none, I'll continue to self-insure and maintain membership in a PPO via a discount card program. And I'll never, ever, send another dime to support a blue-dog Dem in a contested race.

What if that young, poor and uninsured teenage woman had been provided the federal funds (via Obamacare) and facilities (via Planned Parenthood, etc.) to avoid the ridicule, ostracizing, persecution and possible stoning because of her out-of-wedlock pregnancy?

why do i feel like many of chuck's fans would think she totally deserved that treatment
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because you have more than two brain cells to rub together

to unite the compromise theme and the chuck norris sword to the baby theme, you know what compromise i liked? when king solomon decided to split the baby in two, i thought that was a great idea.