HEALTHCARE THREAD

yes, that strategy worked well when it gave us 8 years of the worst president of all time

yeah, it is all ralph nader's fault

supporting unelectable left wing candidates to hammer home the point that you dont like the healthcare bill is going to get you no health care reform at all, instead of partial health care reform

you know what forget i said anything this is an argument i have no interest in engaging in

is there a term for a compromise that angers everyone and pleases nobody

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yes the term for that is "compromise"

Al fucking-coward Gore gave us 8 years of the worst president

What if Mother Mary Had Obamacare?
by Chuck Norris
12/15/2009

Washington is up to its old political shell game again, this time in an unprecedented way.

While Americans are focused upon the Christmas season and the mainstream media on health care and President Barack Obama's two trips to Europe (last week to Oslo and this week to Copenhagen), the Democrats in Congress have slipped major pro-abortion legislation under the radar.

First, last Monday the Senate rejected the health care reform bill amendment introduced by Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., and Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, that would have banned federal funds from providing for abortion.

Then, on Thursday, the House of Representatives rushed the clandestine approval of an overinflated $1 trillion omnibus bill, which includes 5,224 earmarks -- costing about $3.9 billion -- and an underhanded provision that would overturn a long-standing budget ban in the District of Columbia (whose budget is overseen by Congress) for federally funding abortions.

Then, after the Democratic-controlled Senate cleared a procedural vote on Saturday needed to end a Republican filibuster, in yet another near-secret Sunday afternoon session, the Senate passed the omnibus bill and the provision for Washington, D.C. Tragically, the bill also would appropriate $648.5 million for "international family planning" funding (an increase of $103 million over 2009) and would give funding for Planned Parenthood and the United Nations Population Fund, both of which have pro-abortion agendas.

In short, while President Obama was accepting the Nobel Peace Prize, the Democrats in Congress drove a sword through the womb of the unborn.

Congress' latest pro-abortion strategy is a radical divergence from -- and sheer contradiction of -- Obama's Sept. 9 promise that under Democrats' health care reform plan, "no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions."

But the big question and bottom line, as Hatch asked, is: "Why should people of conscience be forced to participate in any aspect of abortion?"

Washington certainly has reached a new low by forcing American citizens who oppose abortion to pay for abortions via their taxes in this massively comprehensive way. Is it intentionally trying to spark the next Boston Tea Party? When our greatest values are thrown under the omnibus, how do they expect us to respond? (Washington's wild spending and abandonment of traditional values and our Founders' vision is what prompted me to add a 64-page expansion to the new paperback version of my New York Times best-seller Black Belt Patriotism, being released in January through Fidelis Books. See the new Web site at http://www.BlackBeltPatriotism.com.)

Obama and Congress' pro-abortion steps are being taken despite a recent nationwide survey that revealed that 4 in 5 U.S. adults would limit abortion's legality. One in 3 would limit abortion to rape, incest or the saving of a mother's life. One in 3 also would limit abortion to either the first three or first six months. Only 9 percent said abortion should be legal for any reason at any time during pregnancy.

Now is the critical time for action. If you haven't done so, contact your representative and senators at 202-224-3121 or through http://www.house.gov and http://www.senate.gov and then the White House at 202-456-2111 or http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/contact.

Tell your representative and senators to quit fast-tracking these momentous bills without periods for debate and during secret sessions on weekends, when America is least attentive.

Tell your representative and senators of your extreme disappointment in their approving the outrageous omnibus spending bill, spending frivolously under America's recession and adding more to our national debt.

Tell your representative and senators to support the Stupak-Pitts amendment and the Nelson-Hatch amendment in the House and Senate health care bills, thus preventing the federal funding of abortion via Obamacare.

Call or write the White House and demand that President Obama veto the outrageous omnibus bill (with pro-abortion provisions and more than 5,200 earmarks).

Join the 300,000 people who have signed The Manhattan Declaration to fight for the unborn (http://www.ManhattanDeclaration.org).

Share this column with your pro-life clergyman, family and friends, and encourage them to mobilize the troops on these pieces of legislation.

Get involved with a local pro-life organization, like my wife, Gena, who supports the Dallas Council for Life and the Dallas Pregnancy Resource Center.

Lastly, as we near the eve of another Christmas, I wonder: What would have happened if Mother Mary had been covered by Obamacare? What if that young, poor and uninsured teenage woman had been provided the federal funds (via Obamacare) and facilities (via Planned Parenthood, etc.) to avoid the ridicule, ostracizing, persecution and possible stoning because of her out-of-wedlock pregnancy? Imagine all the great souls who could have been erased from history and the influence of mankind if their parents had been as progressive as Washington's wise men and women! Will Obamacare morph into Herodcare for the unborn?

America doesn't need to turn the page on culture wars, such as the one on abortion. It needs to reopen the pages of its history to our Founders' elevated views of and rights for all human beings (including those in the womb), as documented in the Declaration of Independence and our Constitution. We need to revive and re-instill their value of humanity back into society, our children and our children's children.

And most of all, Washington needs to run our government as Thomas Jefferson outlined in an 1809 letter: "The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government."

(Don't miss my Christmas column next week, titled "Away With the Manger," about how the feds are whitewashing America's Judeo-Christian heritage via a progressive, politically correct and pro-Muslim platform.)

to be totally fair, american voters gave us 8 years of the worst president ever

while u were out i drove a sword through the womb of the unborn

does that even make sense??

the womb of the unborn? n/m it's chuck norris

is there a term for a compromise that angers everyone and pleases nobody

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― Magnolia Caboose Babyfinger (Shakey Mo Collier),

yes the term for that is "compromise"

― max

^^^^ lolol

In short, while President Obama was accepting the Nobel Peace Prize, the Democrats in Congress drove a sword through the womb of the unborn.

what kind of sword - like, a samurai sword? excalibur?

I need to know

If the unborn already HAVE a womb, what do they want MINE for???

I'm with the progressive opponents. Anything that forces me to buy into present for-profit insurance options without offering an opportunity to pair a fair rate for minimal base coverage via medicare extension doesn't interest me.

My sympathies to those of you with dependents. As someone with none, I'll continue to self-insure and maintain membership in a PPO via a discount card program. And I'll never, ever, send another dime to support a blue-dog Dem in a contested race.

What if that young, poor and uninsured teenage woman had been provided the federal funds (via Obamacare) and facilities (via Planned Parenthood, etc.) to avoid the ridicule, ostracizing, persecution and possible stoning because of her out-of-wedlock pregnancy?

why do i feel like many of chuck's fans would think she totally deserved that treatment
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because you have more than two brain cells to rub together

to unite the compromise theme and the chuck norris sword to the baby theme, you know what compromise i liked? when king solomon decided to split the baby in two, i thought that was a great idea.

On my motorcycle journeys in the Texas hill country, sometimes I pass the Norris compound north of Camp Wood on Texas Ranch Rd 335. The surroundings are cattle grazed but not too far from wilderness. Mesquite stakes supporting barbed wire by the roadside. Norris's compound is 9 foot plastered concrete block, with broken glass all accross the top.

You can't miss it. He's the only landowner with that sort of defence.

is it octagonal?

No. It is almost perfectly square, following the lines of the original survey.

those Chuck Norrises will allow you guys to continue to vote Democrat as the party gets even worse, until you die.

I think this "compromise" has made plenty of people happy, plz look for them at $100,000-a-plate congressional fundraisers.

or, you know, receiving subsidies for healthcare in 2014

but i wouldnt want to let the fact that this is the largest social welfare bill since LBJ prevent anyone from feeling really good about their cynically smug adherence to know-nothing orthodoxy

it's the "cynically smug" Daily Double!

oh no! insurance companies are happy! because hundreds of thousands of uninsured people will now receive government subsidies to purchase insurance!! how terrible it will be, for those people to receive low-cost healthcare!!

*lower-cost

is "the largest social welfare bill since LBJ" the new "israel's the only democracy in the middle east"?

max, I heart you, but if you're speaking in an Iowa twang next time I seeya I'll know you've turned into Tom Harkin.

max I know you know what is wrong with that insurance companies are happy equation - basically its just funnelling them taxpayer dollars

fuck subsidizing such a bloated, inefficient private industry

max why are you arguing when it makes you feel bad, don't do that to yrself man, take it from a dude who knows you gotta break the cycle of arguing by listening to smooth jazz, it just fixes everything

here comes the smooth jazz hippies

we can't be stopped

sweet

actually we can probably be stopped if we're bumming people out but we would prefer not to stop because our groove is solid

how did you evade the ilxor saxophone defense system?

J0hn how can you defile the memories of all the punks who fought and died against the smoothness

man i knew that program was straight pork :(

how did you evade the ilxor saxophone defense system?

they were distracted by our bitchin members only jackets in muted pastels

gonna go put on some metheny

*taps toes*

I hope the Christmas album is shipping

xxp

A Smooth Christmas is in stores now

reviewers are saying it's totally smooth

metheny & mainstream dem policies are pretty milquetoast ; )

Metheny needs more roughly accurate unmanned drones

"&(*@#@^&-up and smooth, just like Obama-care"

- - R. Christgau

if max could only see the similarities between avatar and obamacare then he would understand

this is why us grouchy types are trying to rebrand it by dropping the "e" - obamacar = rhymes with "avatar" = how'd you feel about "avatar" = cool, maybe you should listen to some smooth jazz