atheism vs. agnosticism

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If you're in the market for a new belief system, this sounds kinda good:

[T]he sacred orgasm is your Divine Right. Your beautiful bodies were designed for this in order to attract evolving souls into your plane, third dimensional planet Earth. The reptilian-based tyrants have kept you from this knowledge. They have imprisoned you in guilt and shame; you are ashamed of your bodies which are works of art.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 29 October 2004 06:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm Antignostic.
I think Gnosticism sucks.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 29 October 2004 13:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I just came across a webpage describing different forms of atheism; theoretical, antireligious, anticlerical, scientific, semantic, practical, "practicing", proud, negative, from birth, methodological, humanist, agnostic, etc etc
I could associate many point of view on this thread with some of these definitions. So yes, nuances happens.

Personally I like the idea of a tranquil atheism, I think it's from Epicurus but Deleuze wrote about about it in "Périclès et Verdi"
There is no need for God(s) to exist, this kind of atheist doesn't have problems with them but have better things to do.

They think after God, starting from the death of God without caring about what might mean the death of God, it's "existence", if it still exists; the tranquil atheist doesn't care about this kind of questions.

Deleuze explains it's less caring about a static negation or a fight against God than a dynamic method emerging on a positive proposition aiming at building after the fight.

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Friday, 29 October 2004 14:44 (nineteen years ago) link

"whoa is there EVER a resolution if you're honest with yourself?"


OTM

This guy embodies surreal silliness.

Touche Daniel !

THe self is never an illusion eh, your gestures are all original! Immortality beckons!

Kiwi, Sunday, 31 October 2004 04:55 (nineteen years ago) link

There's a lot of Christians, including most of the ones I'm friends with, who will tell you that doubt is an essential aspect of faith.

To cite CS Lewis again: "Doubts are the ants in the pants of Faith".

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Sunday, 31 October 2004 06:57 (nineteen years ago) link

atheists, I invite you to read a thread I started here on "the invention of jesus", I would appreciate constructive feedback.

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Monday, 1 November 2004 22:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I am afraid to post to that thread as it works as a rather spectacular piece of Internet performance art as is.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 1 November 2004 22:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah...

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 1 November 2004 22:35 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah meh! zombie rooster in their sauce = ultimate jesus power!

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Monday, 1 November 2004 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link

seriously, despite caffeinated and vaguely drunk awful traduction there are arguments of a fulgurating intelligence and erudition on that thread, help me help atheism :-)

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Monday, 1 November 2004 22:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I liked that thread a lot, and I think a great deal of it, specifically about the development of the Jesus concept is very interesting (you mention a text in which Jesus animates some clay birds - this text, if I remember correctly, contains a much funnier story in which a young Christ, angry because his father is being chastised by the village for letting Christ muck about, blinds the whole village with his crazy-magic. I think he fixes them though). It's really only the main premise I have a problem with - that there was no historic Christ. No reputable scholar in the world believes that these days, it's a discredited idea. There are many textual references to Christ within a century of his death (Thallus, Mara-Serapion, Cornelius Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Seutonius, Flavius Josephus) which make it pretty certain that there was a historic figure called Christ - some very biased atheist writers, who seem to think that admitted the existence of the historical Christ means accepting Christianity, write things occasionally, but these are the historic equivelants of conspiracy theories. We know that figures who have had a large impact on their local societies take on aspects from neighbouring mythologies, or latent mythological traits - Christ's similarities to some Apollo cults could be an example of this; but societies as a rule don't invent people that often - King Arthur is another good example, who was probably never a king, but was probably a historic figure.

As I said, I liked the bits about the development of the Christ 'myth' and I think they are pretty strong - the medieval insistance on Christ having a virgin birth is a good example of how changing social attitudes affect these characters. I didn't want to post on your thread either, like how you don't want to step on a fresh snowfall - it's very cool.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 1 November 2004 23:06 (nineteen years ago) link

There are many textual references to Christ within a century of his death (Thallus, Mara-Serapion, Cornelius Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Seutonius, Flavius Josephus)

I left that out, because it was boring (altho I talked about elsewhere on that board: it's about copyright), but nice calling me on it: you read carefully.
the argument to explain these 'mentionnings' : copysts. A text lacked a little bit of text? they add it! tacitus doesn'T mention jesus: now, that's not very nice of him isn'it? let's correct tacitus then! let's correct flavius joseph by adding a sentense about jésus. no copyright then... not very honest one might say, but as I said they were in performative logic of truth building.

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Monday, 1 November 2004 23:14 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...
I can't stand that sociopathically repetitive rhetorical style. You've made your point (albeit a rubbish one), no need to make it another 45 times.

ledge (ledge), Friday, 2 February 2007 16:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Arrrrrgh Hulk smash.

chap (chap), Friday, 2 February 2007 18:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Homeslice is intrinsically an ass.

Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 2 February 2007 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I really hate people who equate schizophrenia with MPD.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Friday, 2 February 2007 19:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I really hate people who have aspergers

UART variations (ex machina), Friday, 2 February 2007 19:21 (seventeen years ago) link

"I really hate people who equate schizophrenia with MPD."

Since Dan denies that any person could be intrinsically good or evil, how does his attributed emotion of "hate" make sense?

Not on external grounds. And Steve's blog doesn’t regard it's use of schizophrenia as being confused with MPD.

Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 2 February 2007 19:27 (seventeen years ago) link

atheist front doesn't sound as cool as agnostic front

M@tt He1g3s0n: oh u mad cuz im stylin on u (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 2 February 2007 19:32 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.seekfind.net/Animations/You_Have_No_Excuse.gif

Well alright then.

(these are the slowest animated gifs ever)

Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 2 February 2007 19:48 (seventeen years ago) link

So God exists even though I don't believe in him, and I exist even though he doesn't believe in me. Fair enough.

Tuesdays With Morimoto (Rock Hardy), Friday, 2 February 2007 19:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I think they're assuming rather a different reading speed among their primary audience.

Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 2 February 2007 19:52 (seventeen years ago) link

WTF, is it that difficult to understand the difference between "intrinsically evil" and just "evil?"

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 2 February 2007 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.seekfind.net/Animations/Separation_Of_Church_and_State_Exposed.gif

Woah, somebody doesn't understand spacial relations. That inverter be fucked up, man.

Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 2 February 2007 19:57 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.seekfind.net/Animations/Simplistic_Name_Calling_Exposed.gif

This is rather simplistic, but it doesn't have congruent reasoning. I am so confused.

Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 2 February 2007 20:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Secular Humanism=NOT A RELIGION.

chap (chap), Friday, 2 February 2007 20:02 (seventeen years ago) link

(nabisco, this is just one of my high school friends giving me shit; please to ignore)

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Friday, 2 February 2007 20:02 (seventeen years ago) link

I assumed nabisco was referring to the article I was parodying.

Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 2 February 2007 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

(FB, that's just me writing without really reading the links attached to a thread; please to ignore)

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Friday, 2 February 2007 20:05 (seventeen years ago) link

As an apology, I offer this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqkcqvN6-l4&NR

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Friday, 2 February 2007 20:07 (seventeen years ago) link

haha. I just realized how that post would look to someone who hadn't read the article.

Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 2 February 2007 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.raptureready.com/health/check_your.gif

and what (ooo), Friday, 2 February 2007 20:28 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.raptureready.com/health/health.html

and what (ooo), Friday, 2 February 2007 20:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I have no evidence that God does exist.

In most cases, the rejection of the Creator does not result from logical conclusions. The average atheist, if he or she is honest, will cite an emotional motivation for lack of faith in God.

The late Isaac Asimov once wrote: “Emotionally I am an atheist. I don’t have the evidence to prove that God doesn’t exist, but I so strongly suspect that he doesn’t that I don’t want to waste my time.” Now that Mr. Asimov is dead, I suspect he wishes he would have invested time into proving the existence of God.

Most people who do not think God exists betray their stance by arguing with Him. If God is not real, there is no need to be hostile toward Him or toward anyone who believes in Him.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 2 February 2007 21:24 (seventeen years ago) link

http://i18.tinypic.com/2qjh8wy.jpg

StanM (StanM), Friday, 2 February 2007 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm disappointed there was no Asimovinhell.jpg

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 2 February 2007 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

er, x-post

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 2 February 2007 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

i can't believe an adult wrote that

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 2 February 2007 21:27 (seventeen years ago) link

"Let's just keep fishing"

HAHA - letter to the editor troll

Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 2 February 2007 21:27 (seventeen years ago) link

... you can believe in God any way you want (Baptist, Catholic, Methodist)...

A CORNUCOPIA OF THEOLOGICAL DELIGHTS

elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Friday, 2 February 2007 21:30 (seventeen years ago) link

What is this person suggesting, the creation of an Atheist homeland in the Middle East?

chap (chap), Friday, 2 February 2007 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Send them all back to England, where Darwin was born?

StanM (StanM), Friday, 2 February 2007 21:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Give em the Galapagos maybe.

chap (chap), Friday, 2 February 2007 21:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Er (nervous), this is probably derailing things a bit but anyone got any strong views on the relationship chances of a US theist and a Brit atheist? It would be great if my non-belief in God was irrelevant, but God as a premise leads to such big differences on such fundamental things as abortion...

Devoichitsa (Devoichitsa), Friday, 2 February 2007 22:55 (seventeen years ago) link

how awesome was sebastien chikara?

geoff (gcannon), Friday, 2 February 2007 23:06 (seventeen years ago) link


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