Oliver Stone's Decider biopic "W," starring Josh Brolin

I mean Phil Spector's a wifebeater and a murderer, does that make "Be My Baby" a bad song?

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When you say "this needs to stop," do you mean corrupting his onerously pronounced name, or just him as a person...he just needs to STOP and spare us all? Because that's near-unanimous now

speaking of treatment of women, why was only Condi Rice the ridic. character in the cabinet, almost thrown in there for comic relief ? It became so atonal - and didn't really add anything except random lols

I think Elizabeth Banks did the best she had to work with

x-post I think Stone is despicable enough on a personal level, and he puts so much of him in his films (admirable at times) anyway, that it's harder for me to make the separation. But I still somewhat admire JFK (or rather, its editing)

shakey mo wanted to rape rachel ray, does that make "lol moar liek m night shamalamadingdong amirite" a bad post? wait, don't answer that

keep it up ethan

fightin the good fight

i bet rachel ray would put up a good fight, amirite

ethan

Shakey can't you just chill and leave it at why I may hate Oliver Stone for reasons you don't know, and that I am AWARE that that affects my discussion of his work, rather than bringing innocent, wonderful "Be My Baby" into this? Let's just go back to talking about the movie

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when i said "this needs to stop" i meant unfunny jokes about how INSANE shyamalan's name is. making fun of his movies seems pretty obligatory.

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SEE THIS HACKERY NEEDS TO BE STOPPED. GAH!

is everyone just really hungry or something

no, "shamalamadingdong" always makes me twitch.

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it's not going to stop til you wise up

fair enough

speaking of treatment of women, why was only Condi Rice the ridic. character in the cabinet, almost thrown in there for comic relief ?

um, everybody in the cabinet was pretty ridiculous/comic relief. I noted above that every single Rummy line was incoherent pseudo-philosophical babble. "Turdblossom" was totally obsequious, Cheney villainish, etc.

everyone in the cabinet was kind of a caricature, but also kind of human, except for Rice. i also thought Laura Bush was insufficiently characterized, but what are you going to do?

is J. Edgar Hoover in this?

everyone in the cabinet was kind of a caricature, but also kind of human, except for Rice.

really? how were Rumsfeld and Ari Fleisher "humanized"?

yeah, he plays barbara bush

yes he plays jenna bush

lol xp

i guess i think the performances were more than caricatures. all thandie newton did was mug. dreyfuss mugged + was believable as a person. an awful, disgusting person, but still.

with laura bush i just didn't really get why she liked him. maybe she felt sorry for him?

Mugging isn't always a pejorative.

okay, but i thought thandie newton sucked.

Lots of great performances in Stone movies consist of lots of mugging.

i'm not saying condoleeza rice has not been a yes-man for this administration; i just would have liked more from the movie than easy laughs at her face + voice.

Lots of great performances in Stone movies consist of lots of mugging.

best example is Tommy Lee Jones playing the warden as Daffy Duck in NBK (tho "great" might be going a little far)

NBK is the last Stone movie I saw, I think.

or basically anyone in JFK!

dreyfus + brolin both gave great performances that consisted of a lot of mugging; i know what you guys mean. newton sucked.

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Joe Pesci in JFK = great performance that's completely absurd.

JFK is definitely the single most entertaining Stone flick

i called this movie a long time ago:

Atta was in my Illuminati group. I taught him everything. He was a wannabe. No one liked him. Thought he was a snitch. But I treated him good. He wanted his kid to grow up with a chance. My neck is killing me. I've had cancer for years. Been working with mice to find a cure. You don't leave the neocons. Once you're in, they got you for life. Chertoff's an untouchable. Highest clearance. Chertoff, Atta, Al Qaeda, all Agency. Cheney was there from the start. Set up Texas Al Qaeda. Ran guns to Saddam when he was on our side. Saddam was almost with us till we tried to whack him.

Everybody keeps flipping sides. It's fun and games, man! The neocons and Al Qaeda worked together for years trying to take down those towers. There's more to this than you could dream! Check out something called "Operation Liberty Tower." Big time project. They're in charge. But who pulls whose chain? Who knows? "Oh, what a deadly web we weave when we practice to deceive." Who took down the towers?? Why didn't you fucking stop it? Shit! This is too big for you, you know that? Who did the towers?? Fuck! It's a mystery! It's a mystery wrapped in a riddle inside an enigma! The hijackers don't even know! Don't you get it? Fuck, man! I can't keep talking like this!

-- gear (gear), Saturday, September 16, 2006 5:42 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

we've really needed you here.

This was a fairly banal and gratuitous film; all I really learned is that W drinks Dr Pepper and O'Doul's. Someone shd do a good remix of the pretzel seen tho.

Thandie got big yuks on the UWS with her Condi lampoon, but she was in a different movie.

It was odd that one of the few scenes where we got the Old Oliver Stone was the big Cheney explains the Persian Gulf meeting, cuz it was more like Dreyfuss was playing a Bond villain. (but Dick was right -- we ain't *leaving*, and this means O)

i came out of this movie ready to punch someone

rather ambiguously stated

Thandie... was in a different movie

^^otm

the real Condi looked and sounded Newton-esque during her post-election press conference.

I think I would've preferred the movie Thandie was in.

This was a bunch of bullshit.

yeah this was really terrible

eh. I lolled

I laughed through JFK and still do. This was even as funny as a "Saturday Night Live" sketch. Poor Richard Dreyfuss -- he thought he was playing Donald Sutherland.

no, DR NO

*wasn't even as funny, I meant