― Josh (Josh), Sunday, 3 November 2002 09:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Josh (Josh), Sunday, 3 November 2002 09:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
You're right - that should replace the much-less-offensive Fatboy Slim mix of "Body Movin".
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 3 November 2002 10:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
i will defend whitney obv and "black or white" and i think "2 legit 2 quit"
― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 3 November 2002 12:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
People have sadly forgotten Train's "Meet Virginia," though it was released just at the cusp of the '90's, entering the US top 40 on 11/20/02, peaking I don't know when.
Sinker's suggestion is U&K, obv. I will defend anything from Bush's first album.
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 3 November 2002 12:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 3 November 2002 12:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 3 November 2002 12:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
*blink* I'm not so much surprised at a defense as I am the fact you'd be the one defending it!
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 3 November 2002 15:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 3 November 2002 15:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 3 November 2002 15:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 3 November 2002 15:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
It's a good list. Only three I actually like (Beasties/Fatboy, Arrested Development (with big reservations about the lyrics!) and Dre), and absolutely loads of unspeakably bad records. Lots of good suggestions since too, except from the odd anti-pop mentalists (Spice Girls, Take That, Will Smith!) who are generally most annoyed by really good pop music, strangely.
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 3 November 2002 16:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Uh, HELLO? Paula Cole, people! Where has "Where Have All the Cowboys Gone?" gone? Or Dawson's Creek theme song "I Don't Want To Wait."
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 3 November 2002 16:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
Ha! Okay, you called it. :-)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 3 November 2002 16:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 3 November 2002 16:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 3 November 2002 16:38 (twenty-one years ago) link
(I also own an Alisha's Attic single)
― Graham (graham), Sunday, 3 November 2002 16:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 3 November 2002 16:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
It was Slash, actually.
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 3 November 2002 17:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Sunday, 3 November 2002 17:13 (twenty-one years ago) link
Well the original was such a fun song with all those crazy steel drums and such, and since Cook was fresh off "The Rockafella Skank" you'd think a remix would be ace - but it just sounds kind of sloppy and rehashes that "Sound of Milwaukee" wah-wah-whirr noise. The video, however, is one of the greatest things in history.
― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 3 November 2002 17:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 3 November 2002 18:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 3 November 2002 18:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
"You could sustain/but are you comfortable with the pain?" Ewwwww.
― Arthur (Arthur), Sunday, 3 November 2002 18:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 3 November 2002 19:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
Yes!!DB owns this thread now..rightupinyourfaceanddisyou...
― brg30 (brg30), Sunday, 3 November 2002 20:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
Never before has a person been so correct. How I forgot to mention this the first time is astounding.
― Vinnie (vprabhu), Sunday, 3 November 2002 21:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
"Wannabe" should most definitely be on this list, seeing as it's one of the most painful songs ever written.
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 3 November 2002 22:13 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 3 November 2002 22:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mandee, Sunday, 3 November 2002 22:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
why is it painful dan?
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 3 November 2002 22:30 (twenty-one years ago) link
I *liked* Wannabe at the time (along with Gangsta's Paradise it was one of my first popist conversions). Now I listen to it again it is truly, truly horrible. Just annoying. But still, I think there were followup songs that were infinitely worse ('Mama' owns this thread, although redeemed slightly for being the split A-side to the fantastic Who Do You Think You Are.)
And that's the problem - people are always willing to shoot down the high-profile singles, but usually the follow-ups are even worse. Everyone slates 2Unlimited's No Limit, but no-one mentions Faces. I bet virtually every artist on the above list has released worse singles to the ones up there.
And where the fuck are Simply Red, anyway? Bloody Americans wouldn't know shit music if it stared them in the face.
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 3 November 2002 22:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 3 November 2002 23:15 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 3 November 2002 23:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 3 November 2002 23:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
It is the sonic equivalent of Baz Luhrman's "Moulin Rouge"; a level of combined garishness and volume that leaves one saying: a) WTF?, b) who didn't take their Ritalin today?, and c) how can I avoid having to hear this as much as possible?
― Joe (Joe), Monday, 4 November 2002 00:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
surely Blessid Union Of Souls' "I Believe" is THE WORST THING EVAH?
― robin carmody (robin carmody), Monday, 4 November 2002 06:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
Yes, but that would miss the point of the list, which is that these songs are still popular and bring happiness to many. If less people are wrong, then Tom and Jess are less right. Do you see??
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 4 November 2002 10:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
Tragically, Nine Days' "Absolutely" is from 2000.
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 4 November 2002 10:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Denise Lambert, Monday, 4 November 2002 10:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
I've just remembered that the Oasis song I wanted in but couldnt remember the title of is "All Around The World", thankyou Denise.
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 4 November 2002 10:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
And my point remains: The songs are on this list because they're popular, as well as you don't like them. A lot of these are The Big Hit for the band, and unnaturally extended their lifespan, causing them to release songs which aren't as good (or else those songs would be the big hit, which contradicts the premise of the supposition, thus proving it by science!).
Speaking of which, I understand that hopes are still high for science to discover a new power source based around the fact that the CD listing for All Around The World only says six minutes, but the track lasts for two to three days.
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 4 November 2002 11:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Alan (Alan), Monday, 4 November 2002 11:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
However, mark's idea of pro and con pieces on, say, a selection of these, might be worth reading...
― Jeff W (Jeff W), Monday, 4 November 2002 11:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
Andrew your argument still seems circular: the actual process goes - they are popular = we get to hear them = we get to choose whether we like them or not. Or - having hated "What's Up" by 4 non blondes none of the people concerned are likely to have rushed out to buy the album in order to check if there was anything worse on it.
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 4 November 2002 11:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 4 November 2002 13:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
Also, I agree with Tom's modification of Oasis's songs. Can we also replace "Zombie" ----> "Salvation"??? (eg. bad ---> unbelievably awful)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 4 November 2002 15:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 4 November 2002 15:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
I don't know if Tom has to be understood to be disowning his original top 100: people change, no-one who writes is the same person second time around, and all that. But I think it's fair for him to say he doesn't want to be identified by that piece, if it is no longer representative of his views, which linking from FT / NYPLM would suggest.
― alext (alext), Monday, 4 November 2002 16:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 4 November 2002 16:41 (twenty-one years ago) link