I don't like the look of Heat because it's one of those faux-American British mags that came along with cluttered page layout and clunky faux-American typefaces and reviews of Hollywood rubbish. It's a classic 'inferiority complex exploitation' magazine for British people who wish they were, you know, Robert De Niro.
― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:29 (twenty years ago) link
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― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:33 (twenty years ago) link
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― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:36 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:37 (twenty years ago) link
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― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:40 (twenty years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:42 (twenty years ago) link
yes, i was about to say.
Whereas Vice is a mag that came to New York from Canada and made Americans wish they were Canadian.
it's a handy soundbite, but i don't think vice made anyone wish they were canadian. seriously.
― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:42 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:45 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:49 (twenty years ago) link
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― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:15 (twenty years ago) link
The fact is that Vice on the screen would clearly be Harmony Korine, not Sofia Coppola. In other words, it would be a lot closer to a Fassbinder film than an Air album.
― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:20 (twenty years ago) link
― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:24 (twenty years ago) link
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:30 (twenty years ago) link
Blount has never been more OTM than about Vice/LiT.
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:30 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:33 (twenty years ago) link
ya'll fucking poop-dick canadians gotta get fucked somehow, eh? CANADA IS A BURNT BITCH
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:38 (twenty years ago) link
― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:40 (twenty years ago) link
here's Vice editor Chris Nieratko, by the by, doin' a li'l "racial, not racist" humor in the website's "About Us" section:
http://viceland.com/issues/v10n6/htdocs/staff/iheartnj.jpg
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:41 (twenty years ago) link
― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:42 (twenty years ago) link
Did you like that bit, J0hn? Did it sound like a whore wrote it, or the editor of Vice pretending to be a whore? Is it usual to read about Dworkin and MacKinnon in free mags? Do you think this article demeans women?
― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:44 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:45 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:48 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:52 (twenty years ago) link
It was all right, I guess. When I lived in Portland most of my friends were prostitutes - guys, mainly, working near the Justice Building around 13th & Taylor. My own experience of their attitudes - toward life, their line of work, the people they met up with, and so on - does not closely mirror that of the article's author. Contempt for the tricks seemed limited to guys who'd entered the trade out of actual empty-stomach hunger; my closest friends were guys who whored because it was hard for them to find work elsewhere: the market for waiters being flooded, and my friends not having any professional training (my best friend, Brad, being dyslexic and unable to complete classes without severe kill-me-now level frustration), and job interviews being somewhat embarassing when your manner of speech outs you before you've finished saying "hello." Maybe all these are/were just excuses, I dunno. But the seven or eight working guys I was pals with and the three or four working girls who liked to hang around with them weren't real "In your face! This is what bein' a WHORE is like, yeeeah!" about it. The girls I knew talked more about going to community college and getting a CNA than about, say, the sort of thing covered in the "youth" section of Vice's A-to-Z.
Not to call into question somebody else's experience, of course - just wondering if the article mightn't have been better written as a "how it was for me" than as a "what it's like" sort of thing. Not un-entertaining, though. 6 outta 10.
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 18:07 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 18:42 (twenty years ago) link
― Nemo (JND), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 18:43 (twenty years ago) link
yay vice! being a crackhead and whore is really really cool!
― doomie x, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 20:09 (twenty years ago) link
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― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 21:16 (twenty years ago) link
You know, when I first saw this pic I felt like my cozy liberal preconceptions were being challenged. Then a few seconds later I realized I was just feeling a little gassy. It happens.
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 21:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 21:33 (twenty years ago) link
― martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 21:38 (twenty years ago) link