David Lynch's "Inland Empire"

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Ally OTM, the more I think about it the more I like it. If you'd asked me what I thought right afterwards I would have said too long. Now, I'm not so sure. Anyway.

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:54 (seventeen years ago) link

wasn't long enough

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I still can't get around the whole "check out this move" to the hookers and then she just snaps her fingers a buncha times. waht

-- TOMB07 (tombo...), Today 1:53 PM. (TOMBOT) (later) (link)

i thought that meant the next bit with the screwdriver.

say it with blood diamonds (a_p), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, while it was somewhat painful at the time, it's fun to go back and mull over the film. Also: I had a really vivid schizo dream the night after. And: that Ballad of the Upanishad music that they introduced with, did that "melody" get mirrored toward the end of the movie, because really, I felt near the end, as if it repeated and I felt like my mind was being sucked into a vortex.

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 01:47 (seventeen years ago) link

that was the locomotion mary

69 (plsmith), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 01:52 (seventeen years ago) link

sweet - just got tickets to the Feb 8th screening at the Castro. I think this will be the first time I've seen a David Lynch film on the big screen...?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 23:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Does anyone recognize the song in the trailer (at http://inlandempirecinema.com/ )?

Telephonething (Telephonething), Thursday, 18 January 2007 06:55 (seventeen years ago) link

On second viewing, I'm convinced the key dialogue lines are "Actions have consequences" (helpfully said twice) and "I don't know what came first, and it laid a mindfuck on me" (autocritique?).

As for the Lost Girl, I guess being stuck watching TV in an attic is the perfect definition of Purgatory. I don't quite understand why her liberation is the joy of being reunited with her/Nikki's husband, who in all his previous guises has been a scary bastard.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 January 2007 15:02 (seventeen years ago) link

also there's a point where one character (i'm remembering it as one of the hooker/greek chorus girls in the backyard) says "it had something to do with the passage of time." so yeah among other things the movie is an inquisition of causality.

anyway, need to see this again.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 19 January 2007 17:21 (seventeen years ago) link

i saw this again tonight. there's really very little i'd trim from this if i could (i did think the part where she's stumbling across the intersection and the camera reveals that it's HOLLYWOOD and VINE was a little much)

one of the two guys sitting next to me to his friend, both of whom left about an hour and a half into the movie: "this is the worst fucking movie i've ever seen, screw this shit..."

also: bjork and matthew barney were in attendance!

joseph (joseph), Saturday, 20 January 2007 08:26 (seventeen years ago) link

also also: i noticed mary steenburgen's name in the credits as "visitor #2". buh?

joseph (joseph), Saturday, 20 January 2007 08:28 (seventeen years ago) link

she was the landlady of the pink house - she came in about an unpaid bill

69 (plsmith), Saturday, 20 January 2007 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah i was kind of surprised to see her show up in this, but also a little impressed. far cry from joan of arcadia!

more grease in the pianissimo. (tehresa), Saturday, 20 January 2007 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link

oh man, i didn't recognize her at ALL

also, i completely forgot that william h. macy has a ten-second cameo in this

joseph (joseph), Saturday, 20 January 2007 18:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Does anyone recognize the song in the trailer

this was discussed, i guess on the sandbox, the song is by lynch, also sung by lynch

btw, happy birthday david lynch, and happy birthday to me

cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 20 January 2007 18:35 (seventeen years ago) link

so is N.Kinski in the end credit sequence, or elsewhere?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 20 January 2007 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I already told you that! She is in the end credit sequence, to the side of Laura Dern. I didn't notice her at ALL in the rest of the movie though chaki speculates that she is the blurry prostitute.

AllyzayEisenschefterBDawkinsFlyingSquirrelRomoCrying.jpg (allyzay), Saturday, 20 January 2007 21:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Saw in on Friday. Fucking stunning. Dunno if I'd say it's the best film Lynch has ever made, but it's right up there with Mulholland Drive and Eraserhead. Have to let things settle, see it at least one more time before I can say anything definitive about what it meant to me.

But I'm surprised that so many folks (not here, necessarily) have complained about the DV look. Thought it suited Lynch's style very well. Loved the heavy graininess on the blown-up and darker shots. Loved the bleary, blurry, supersaturated reds. The endless, swollen close-ups were great, as were the rougher, hand-held sequences. Visually, I thought it was a breakthrough for Lynch.

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Saw it as a film about redemption -- about "rescuing" oneself from the burden of guilt. Mulholland Drive was (arguably) about a character who is eventually consumed and destroyed by her own guilt and shame. In Inland Empire, Laura Dern seems to betray her husband and, as a result, is plunged into a purgatorial dreamscape of lost identity, madness, prostitution and murder. Her very powerful husband curses her: she becomes a whore, and her identity fragments. She tumbles through worlds-within-worlds and seeems, even, to die. But somehow, in finally, quite horribly, dying, she escapes the curse. She frees herself from self-loathing and self-destruction. In the endless hallways that seem to represent her unconscious mind, she confronts her demons, killing them and unifying the world -- which seems only to be her self.

Was she ever really an actress, or a whore? In a "real world" sense, did she ever betray her husband or lose a son? It's hard to say. So much remains unexplained. In the end, all I can say for sure is that the murderous Polish husband (in the historical sequences) and the screwdriver-weilding woman who stalked her and competed for her identity seemed only like fractured, male and female reflections of her own self-loathing.

In destroying/escaping these beings, she regains the power to author her own identity. Which leads into the very upbeat version Nina Simone's "Sinnerman" over the end credits, with its celebratory refrain: "power!" A movie about escaping cursed narratives (those placed on us by others and those we author for ourselves), about self-redemption.

But what or who is "LB"?
Why all the weird hostility toward Hollywood?
Whose star was it? ("Dorothy...")
What's the deal with looking through a cigarette burn in silk?
Does it have anything to do with the "cigarette burns" that match one reel of film to the next (visible frequently in the print I saw)?
"Good with animals"?
So, ummm, the rabbits...

And Allyzay's right. Kinski is sitting to Dern's left on the couch in the final party scene -- wearing a yellow dress, I think.

verbose, bombastic, self-immolating (Pye Poudre), Monday, 22 January 2007 15:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Does it have anything to do with the "cigarette burns" that match one reel of film to the next (visible frequently in the print I saw)?

yeah i wondered that too. was the in-film cigarette burn in the top right corner of the frame as well? i forget now.

trans pacific donkey cell phone (sleep), Monday, 22 January 2007 15:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Recall that when Dern pushed the cig through the fabric the hole was more-or-less centered in the shot, but I'm not sure. I don't know that the connection is valid, but I don't know what else to make of it.

I believe that a "cigarette burn" (small white circle in the upper right-hand corner of the frame/screen) did appear during -- or right before or right after -- the first literal cigarette burning scene. Have to see it again to be sure.

verbose, bombastic, self-immolating (Pye Poudre), Monday, 22 January 2007 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, one valid reading is the whole thing is about movies and the subconscious.

Why all the weird hostility toward Hollywood?

Any kind of hostility toward it seems nonweird to me, esp regarding the exploitation of women.

I believe it was Dorothy Lamour's star.

Is it ever clear that the original attempt to film the Blue Tomorrows story was American? or Euro?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 January 2007 15:51 (seventeen years ago) link

The origin of the Blue Tomorrows script/film wasn't ever made clear, or if it was, I missed it. Saw it as a MacGuffin, anyway.

The "exploitation of women" angle you bring up is interesting, though. This film's primary character is both an actress and a prostitute. Mulholland Drive seemed to make a similar comparison, if more obliquely. Women frequently appear as victim/objects in Lynch's films: they’re subject to male desire and anger, powerful in their "mysterious" allure, but fundamentally other-than. Inland Empire is the only Lynch film in which the camera eye & authorial voice seem to genuinely identify with a female protagonist. Dern isn't an exotic bird that Lynch and his audience observe, perhaps pity -- she's us. While we're watching the film, we're experiencing her story, from her POV. This, too, seems like a breakthrough.

Is it significant that it was Lamour's star? Can anyone expand on this?

verbose, bombastic, self-immolating (Pye Poudre), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link

I believe that a "cigarette burn" (small white circle in the upper right-hand corner of the frame/screen) did appear during -- or right before or right after -- the first literal cigarette burning scene. Have to see it again to be sure.

DEFINITELY appeared, i think during.

69 (plsmith), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:05 (seventeen years ago) link

btw, as there were 'cigarette burn' changeovers, this was clearly vid transferred to film. Can anyone else who saw it at the NYFF verify my notion that it was video-projected there, or am I losing my mind?

I wouldn't particularly see any signif re Lamour, unless the Hope-Crosby movies were cursed by gypsies.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link

"L'amour" as in "love?"

Dr. Alicia D. Titsovich (sexyDancer), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link

"DEFINITELY appeared, i think during."
-- 69

Yeah, and that bugged me. You don't see many cigarette burns these days. It's my understanding that they're kinda obsolete. Most theaters no longer punch holes in the film to line up reels.

And when they do occurr, they should take place at the beginning or end of a scene, during a cut or fade-to-black. Not right in the middle of the action. Which suggests that the very visible cigarette burns in Inland Empire are a device. In-film events or footnotes of some kind. Not an artifact, but an intentional part of the movie.

They're especially strange in that Inland Empire is a digital film (see Morb's post, above). So the CBs call attention to the fact that we're watching a film made from a non-film source. The fact that Blue Horizons appears to be shot on traditional film just exaggerates the dissonance.

verbose, bombastic, self-immolating (Pye Poudre), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:26 (seventeen years ago) link

L'amour

HO DAMN

Lynch's Dorothy wd be Vallens, of cawse

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:27 (seventeen years ago) link

or Gale

Dr. Alicia D. Titsovich (sexyDancer), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:34 (seventeen years ago) link

burns/reel changes require just a simple cut, not necessarily the end of a scene. most modern movie theaters don't need them anymore, but they're still in a lot of films, esp ones that'll be shown at art house theaters, which are more likely to have the old-fashioned reel changeover setup.

say it with blood diamonds (a_p), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:34 (seventeen years ago) link

which is to say, they def haven't disappeared from movies, even if they're a relic

say it with blood diamonds (a_p), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:34 (seventeen years ago) link

...they hang around, like ghosts...
GHOSTS OF GUILT, MURDER AND MADNESS!

Dr. Alicia D. Titsovich (sexyDancer), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Spo00oky.

But I getcher point, blood. Still, I suspect that these ostensible "cigarette burns" appear in the print of the film itself, and show up even if the film is being digitally projected. Wonder whether we'll see 'em on the video...

Reason you wouldn't want to place the splice in the middle of a shot is that if the leaders were damaged (which is common), the shot would end up jumpy and fragmented. Dang. I have to see this thing again.

verbose, bombastic, self-immolating (Pye Poudre), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Still, I suspect that these ostensible "cigarette burns" appear in the print of the film itself, and show up even if the film is being digitally projected. Wonder whether we'll see 'em on the video...

cf. fight club

say it with blood diamonds (a_p), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Something that surprised me about this film, but sadly this time: lack of audience interest.

Saw it on Saturday night of opening weekend, in Seattle. Theater was 1/3 full at best. This was an 8:30 pm showing in the crowded "University District" of a city that's always been art art-film oriented. While there hasn't been much by way of press hype & media blitz, word was definitely out. David even presented a screening on Wednesday night. Hell, I bought tickets online and showed up early, expecting lines around the block. Nope.

Kinda depressing. Hope word of mouth is good and that audiences give Inland Empire a shot. I can see why it wouldn't appeal to everyone, but it's hardly a failure.

verbose, bombastic, self-immolating (Pye Poudre), Monday, 22 January 2007 18:35 (seventeen years ago) link

What's the deal with looking through a cigarette burn in silk?
Does it have anything to do with the "cigarette burns" that match one reel of film to the next (visible frequently in the print I saw)?

Also, the cigarette burn in silk seems to connect to the hard drugs which made the hole in the vagina wall of the woman in the blonde star wig.

RR (restandrec), Monday, 22 January 2007 23:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Dunno. I wondered about that. The idea of breaking through, of connecting one thing to another by tearing appears again and again in this movie. The vaginal tear monologue you mention seems consistent with this, but it's hard to see how or why.

Reminds me of Lost Highway, with its split-in-two storyline, and split-in-two murder victim.

french for cane break (Pye Poudre), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 15:31 (seventeen years ago) link

The idea of breaking through, of connecting one thing to another by tearing appears again and again in this movie.

What are the other ones? Apart from the three above, the abortion-with-a/killing-by-screwdriver seems to fit.

Anyone know if Lynch's new book Catching the big fish is good?

RR (restandrec), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

if you believe transcendental meditation is not a pile of shit, then maybe you'd enjoy it

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link

RR:

Another easy example is the heroine's seeming death near the end of the film. That violence allows her a kind of rebirth. And there's a definite sense of breaking/fragmentation when the lights begin to flash and loud electrical buzzing appears on the soundtrack, heralding the transition from one world to the next. Lynch pulls the same trick in Lost Highway, to similar effect.

I don't know that there are so many different ways the theme is expressed, but certain devices are used over and over again.

Anyway, I think it's likely that TM is a shitpile, but I dug the movie. Go figure.

french for cane break (Pye Poudre), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 20:02 (seventeen years ago) link

liking his new book =! liking his new movie

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 22:13 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't know a lot about TM, except as a purebred Irish Catholic I mistrust it, but it seems to have let Lynch tap into Whatever.

Dennis Lim finds that cheap DV suits the nightmare perfectly, and compares IE to Scott Walker's The Drift:

http://www.cinema-scope.com/cs29/cur_lim_inland.html


Lynch interview at Reverse Shot (rhapsodizing about Billy Wilder's sense of place!):

I couldn’t and wouldn’t work in a studio if I didn’t have final cut. It would be the theater of the absurd. How could anyone do that? Absolutely pure suicide. Sadness. Ridiculousness. Absurdity upon absurdity. Never in a million years. A person’s voice is what’s critical, and staying true to the ideas. No one should interrupt that, it should be supported, there should be enthusiasm and inspiration for that. The other is totally wrong, a horror.

http://www.reverseshot.com/article/strong_an_interview_with_david_lynch_strong


Rosenbaum (like me, not a huge DL fan), likee:

Lynch also seems to have realized that in Hollywood remaining disengaged and innocent ultimately compromises his freedom as an artist, and like it or not, he's had to take a political stance. Dern spitting gobs of blood on the Walk of Fame couldn't make it plainer.

http://www.chicagoreader.com/features/stories/moviereviews/2007/070126/

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 26 January 2007 17:52 (seventeen years ago) link

tha review has got me extremely excited.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 26 January 2007 19:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I finally got to see this today. I was very excited about going, but I have to say that it was just too long. There wasn't enough going on to justify 3 hours of film. There were plenty of classic moments, but a little editing could really have helped. The only justification I could think of was the Lynch was trying to make the audience feel like they were also trapped in Laura Dern's nightmare world. I guess he achieved that effect, but I'm not sure that that's a good thing.

I'll still probably buy the DVD when it comes out...

Matt Olken (Moodles), Sunday, 28 January 2007 23:29 (seventeen years ago) link

So, I have a friend who pirates movies. I'm opposed to it (much more so than I am to downloading singles--probably because I know it generally takes much more time, sweat, tears, etc. to create a full-length movie than one song), but INLAND EMPIRE isn't going to come here until mid-April. So, I asked him if he'd see if there was a copy of this floating around. If he brings me a copy tomorrow, should I get rid of it? I'm already feeling guilty (even though I know I'll end up going to the theater/buying the DVD).

Tape Store (Tape Store), Monday, 29 January 2007 03:42 (seventeen years ago) link

when sleater-kinney came out with their last album I got the online rip three months in advance, even though I knew I was going to buy it anyway. I think if you respect the artist enough, they can live with you getting it ahead of time, esp. if you're going to go see it on the big screen...

If you fuck with Jimmy Mod, you call down the thunder (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 29 January 2007 05:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Saw this yesterday. I got to the theater kinda early to get a good seat, after a while an old woman and her middle-aged daughter sat in the row behind me. I was eavesdropping as the old lady was telling her daughter about how every Thursday she and her husband go to Costco, and the first thing they do is get a $1.75 hot dog, "the best all-beef hot dog you've ever had, and they have pickle relish and all the toppings," and that gives her enough energy to spend three hours shopping in Costco, and the daughter just keeps replying "But it's just so huuuuge .... it's terrible." So of course my thought = "Huh. These people are coming to see a three-hour long David Lynch movie? Well, I guess you never know." Five minutes into the movie, I hear them whispering, "I don't think this is the right movie ... this isn't the right movie ... let's go" and they left.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 29 January 2007 11:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I guess he achieved [the effect of the spectator being trapped in Laura Dern's nightmare world], but I'm not sure that that's a good thing.

It's much better than being trapped in Will Ferrell's nightmare world.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 January 2007 14:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Laura Dern was amazing in this.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 29 January 2007 14:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I suspect that particular effect - due to what I assume is just Lynch's preternatural understanding of exactly what it is that makes the most people the most uncomfortable at any given time (I don't buy into explanations for auteurs' success that try to apply some low-level psychosis where simple passion and intelligence would suffice) - is why I keep coming back to this thread, despite having very little of my own to say about the film besides lame declarations of how it's a Psychological film that produces Visceral response amirite etc.

Rosenbaum's point about the gang's-all-here karaoke dance party accompanying the long-awaited end credits is something I wholeheartedly agree with. That was the Rolaids: girls dancing, fan service, Laura finally smiling, etc etc. It's a more fulfilling payoff, after everything that precedes it, than most movies I've ever seen. And I really, really needed a happy ending after all that drubbing.

The sound design was top notch, btw. I keep thinking about that, too.

TOMBO7 (TOMBOT), Monday, 29 January 2007 14:51 (seventeen years ago) link

otm about the end-credit sequence. it feels ecstatic and redemptive at a moment when you don't expect either of those things from the film. there's a generosity there that gives a new context to what precedes it. a heckuva trick.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 29 January 2007 15:19 (seventeen years ago) link


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