Predict the electoral vote of the US Presidential Election

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i trust slate ALOT more than that site

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 21 October 2004 06:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Electoral Vote Winner: Kerry, by ten (or 18 if CO goes for proportional representation, or 20 if Maine is not as close as we think)
Popular Vote Winner: Bush (wouldn't it be funny? Seriously, big bites out of the Dem leads in NJ and NY and hooj margins in the mid-west might do it)
House Control: Rep
Senate Control: Tie
Who wins Florida? Bush (but not really)
Suprise Republican victory: NM
Suprise Democratic victory: TN (that mucks up my figures above, but whatever)
Scandal State: FL
Media Blunder State: PA (called early for Bush, later rescinded)
Biggest Nader Factor State: ME
Libertarian Factor State: CO
Likelihood of capturing Osama?: Zero
Likelihood of US Attacked Factor?: Low

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 21 October 2004 08:38 (nineteen years ago) link

i think there's a real chance bush could win the popular vote and lose the electoral too which will maybe maybe maybe create the circumstances to scrap the electoral college or at least get the process started.

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 21 October 2004 08:50 (nineteen years ago) link

blount, i think that is what will happen to

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 21 October 2004 13:22 (nineteen years ago) link

It is funny, indeed queer, how optimistic ilx is about all this, and has been for a while.

I hope we, I mean, you, are not whistling in the oncoming ongoing dark.

the bluefox, Thursday, 21 October 2004 13:36 (nineteen years ago) link

From the Chicago Sun-Times Red Eye (shitty tabloid) today:
57 - Percentage of votes that John Kerry got on Nickelodeon's Web site in a race against George Bush. The poll by Nickelodeon has correctly chosen the past four presidents.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 21 October 2004 14:15 (nineteen years ago) link

What were the tracking polls like in Sep/Oct 2000? Didn't Gore nearly/actually win from a worse position than Kerry?

PF: I do sometimes feeling we're grasping at straws (like the paragraph in Momus's link upthread which details a study showing how Undecideds in most elections plump for the challenger by a big margin).

The Pennsylvanian Republicans on News 24 last night were surprisingly meek and equivocal - "It's gonna be close" - whereas their Dem counterparts were positively bullish. It does boil down to the GOP's famed ability to rely on their core vote actually voting vs the Dems' wealth of new supporters who may or may not turn up.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 21 October 2004 14:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Kerry's totally winnin', mang.

battlin' green eyeshades (Homosexual II), Thursday, 21 October 2004 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Mandee makes it all so simple.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Um, no Mandee is kinda wrong.

Proof that ILXors do indeed live in an overtly optimistic world of their own:

http://www.electionguide04.com/straw_poll_october.adp

Vic (Vic), Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:54 (nineteen years ago) link

haha, are you being serious vic????

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Proof that AOL users are fascists!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Vic, there is NO WAY that map is correct. California? Come on.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:59 (nineteen years ago) link

it is a straw poll of aol users. How can it not be correct? they are AMERICA, ON LINE! AMERICA, people!

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 21 October 2004 17:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Dudez, I'm not in any way implying that America Online = America, but reminding everyone, including myself (who was just as surprised to see that map...I mean even beyond CA fuckin' HAWAII as a red state? ) that ILX is a pretty insular, and relatively marginal community of quite lefty indie kids / rock crits, after seeing all the posts here past few weeks, post-debates, indicating a "we got it in the bag" mentality.

I lurk AOL message boards frequently to amuse myself. And the appalling lack of basic reading/writing comprehension skills reminds me just how unique ILX as an intelligent online community as well as how AOL Users are, sad to say, closer to the typical American when it comes to education, knowledge of world affairs, and political insight. It's also fun to just read them since they're like an exact foil of ILX.

Vic (Vic), Thursday, 21 October 2004 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link

so you're saying that because stupid, insular people elsewhere are wrong, smart, insular people here are also wrong?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 21 October 2004 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm getting uncomfortable with how often the incumbent effect is being cited lately (even though I do that too). I mean, no doubt it will have some impact, but, like, for example, sites that do predictions based on formulas shouldn't be incorporating it in there and using it to turn a Bush prediction into a Kerry prediction. I think it should be considered just about the most unknown of the known unknowns.

Dan I., Thursday, 21 October 2004 18:50 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.shaggusmachaggis.com/vid/voting_machine.wmv

j.lu (j.lu), Thursday, 21 October 2004 18:52 (nineteen years ago) link

thanks for being such a BUZZ KILL, VIC.

battlin' green eyeshades (Homosexual II), Thursday, 21 October 2004 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Even the otherwise ideologically pure Sam Wang has jumped on the assigning-undecideds-mostly-to-Kerry bandwagon.

Dan I., Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I am an ilxor, and I live in an overly pessmistic insular fantasy world of my own.

We're going to get battered next weekend and all.

the bluefox, Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:19 (nineteen years ago) link

no, i believe mandy is right. i have this GUT intuition.

youn, Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry, i got so excited i misspelled mandee's name.

youn, Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, it is really 'Amanda'.

That's what is says on her e-mails.

the bellefox, Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:24 (nineteen years ago) link

That AOL map makes pretty twinkly noises when you hover over it - that's the best I can say for it.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 21 October 2004 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Michael, I'm glad you pointed that out 'cause I had some worries that the craziness was coming back over me.

Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 21 October 2004 20:16 (nineteen years ago) link

And, while I take Vic's point, it's not like us liberals are clinging to loony statistical outliers to bolster our optimism for JFK (if I saw a poll saying he had an 11-point lead and was heading for 400+ in the EC I'd just ignore it) - it's looking mildly encouraging from a deep cross-section of all the mainstream numbers.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 21 October 2004 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm convinced that this will end up as tight as 2000. I am greatly enjoying the possibility, brought up up-thread, that Bush could win the Pop. vote and lose the College.

Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 21 October 2004 20:34 (nineteen years ago) link

meanwhile, ONE BILLION DOLLARS will have been spent on the Presidential Election ALONE by the time it's all said & done.

Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Thursday, 21 October 2004 20:49 (nineteen years ago) link

i have a feeling it's going to come down to cotton-pickin' FLORIDA again.

battlin' green eyeshades (Homosexual II), Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

why have the hurricanes not wiped them out yet????

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Bugs had the right idea: "South America, take it away!"

Hunter (Hunter), Thursday, 21 October 2004 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Vic's map is funny.

adam. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 21 October 2004 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link

This thing should be our f*cking flag!
http://synapse.princeton.edu/~sam/ev_projection_current_map.jpg

I'm so sick of state's rights.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 21 October 2004 22:46 (nineteen years ago) link

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20041022/i/r3790499241.jpg

Last night, Minneapolis. Kerry is the slightly ochre dot in the middle.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 22 October 2004 08:08 (nineteen years ago) link

slightly off topic, but the nation ain't taken no prisoners

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20041108&s=editors

by the way, kerry in a landslide. just watch.

lysander spooner, Friday, 22 October 2004 17:46 (nineteen years ago) link

FWIW, in my limited time in Wisconsin, it definitely seemed to be leaning Kerry.

k3rry (dymaxia), Friday, 22 October 2004 18:16 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.jestmag.com/3-5/banana.html

Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 22 October 2004 18:35 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.jestmag.com/3-5/images/banana-republican/ashcroft.jpg

I think that I saw this episode of "Hawaii 5-O" just the other night.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 22 October 2004 18:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I was at that Minneapolis Kerry rally! Way in the back.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Saturday, 23 October 2004 01:18 (nineteen years ago) link

OMG Banana Republican! That is fucking funny.

o. nate (onate), Saturday, 23 October 2004 03:22 (nineteen years ago) link

But seriously, if Kerry keeps killing the small defenseless animals then I think he has this one in the bag.

o. nate (onate), Saturday, 23 October 2004 03:22 (nineteen years ago) link

fuck it:

Electoral Vote Winner: Kerry
Popular Vote Winner: Kerry
House Control: GOP (the REAL question: how soon before the children begin drafting the impeachment papers wr2 President Kerry?)
Senate Control: tie (pending chaffee's decision wr2 jumping ship) -- which means that w/ VP Edwards, it's Democratic
Who wins Florida? Bush (Jeb = George Wallace, v. 2004)
Suprise Republican victory: Wisconsin (it's joe mccarthy's old stomping grounds, and where bill rehnquist was born)
Suprise Democratic victory: North Carolina (i'm w/ cinniblount here)
Scandal State: Ohio
Media Blunder State: Pennsylvania (it'll be safely Kerry)
Biggest Nader Factor State: either Florida or Maine
Libertarian Factor State: Arizona
Likelihood of capturing Osama?: none
Likelihood of US Attacked Factor?: this year halloween falls on a weekend/ridge will tell us al-qaeda's gonna be trick-or-treatin'

Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 23 October 2004 03:57 (nineteen years ago) link

oh SHIT eisbar, you just made me realize something.

A fiver sez that Tom Ridge will announce next week that "AL QUEDA WILL BE PUTTING RAZOR BLADES IN THE CANDY FOR AMERICA'S CHILDREN: Terror threat raised to Code Orange & Black" or somesuch

Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Saturday, 23 October 2004 07:49 (nineteen years ago) link

That Nation piece is magnificent.

the bluefox, Saturday, 23 October 2004 09:18 (nineteen years ago) link

whoa:
On the other hand, if Bush is defeated, his entire presidency will acquire the aspect of an aberration, a mistake that has been corrected, and the American people will be able to say: We never accepted Bushism. We rejected the brutality, the propaganda, the misbegotten wars, the imperial arrogance. And we never, ever chose George W. Bush to be President of the United States.

Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Saturday, 23 October 2004 09:25 (nineteen years ago) link


There's a hell of a lot more to Wisconsin than Joe McCarthy. I didn't see too many people fretting about communism when I was up there, but a lot of people have lost their jobs.

k3rry (dymaxia), Saturday, 23 October 2004 11:15 (nineteen years ago) link

I wish it were true, but Kerry's not gonna win Tennessee. My highly scientific yard-sign straw poll shows Kerry up about 70-30 in Midtown Memphis and considering the demographic (pyschographic?) differences between my little corner of the state and the vast, largely white, very conservate rural and suburban areas east, that just ain't enough.

I'm holding out hope for Arkansas, though.

chris herrington (chris herrington), Saturday, 23 October 2004 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

yup, my folks voted for him, and live in the suburbs of knoxville.
so, add another minor unscientific anecdote in support of your statement.

Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Saturday, 23 October 2004 20:58 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.theonion.com/images/407/image_article2623_418x430.jpg


....well, AIN'T they?

Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Saturday, 23 October 2004 21:09 (nineteen years ago) link


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