please don't stop!
― stet, Monday, 18 January 2010 04:34 (fourteen years ago) link
As soon as I get some more money in my hands, another $20 is certainly going to PiH!
― you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 18 January 2010 04:37 (fourteen years ago) link
yes!
― everybody's into weirdness right now (gbx), Monday, 18 January 2010 04:43 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah the 60 minutes is bleurgh. bulldozers carrying bodies, guy using hacksaws to saw off legs, sterilizing instruments w/ vodka o_O
― harbl, Monday, 18 January 2010 04:48 (fourteen years ago) link
i have been avoiding all visual coverage :-/
― everybody's into weirdness right now (gbx), Monday, 18 January 2010 04:50 (fourteen years ago) link
what the hell is wyclef jean doing
― guardian nagle (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 00:18 (fourteen years ago) link
Sending powerbars by fedex, from the look of it
― stet, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 01:00 (fourteen years ago) link
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti – The staggering scope of Haiti's nightmare came into sharper focus Monday as authorities estimated 200,000 dead and 1.5 million homeless in the heart of this luckless land, where injured survivors still died in the streets, doctors pleaded for help and looters slashed at one another in the rubble.
― A™ machine (sic) (omar little), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 01:05 (fourteen years ago) link
holy jesus 200k
― everybody's into weirdness right now (gbx), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 01:09 (fourteen years ago) link
Uggh I saw footage of the bulldozers it's just...
― jazz bus (╓abies), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 01:18 (fourteen years ago) link
:( i hope that boy they showed anderson cooper carrying ended up ok
― guardian nagle (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 01:20 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah it's like beyond yr imagination right xp
― harbl, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 01:20 (fourteen years ago) link
xp thankfully i havent seen any dead body pile footage, i'd just lose it
I looked at a flickr photostream from the PIH e-mail, it was pretty gruesome and there weren't even any dead bodies in it (AFAICT)
― cogito, ergo some dude (dyao), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 01:23 (fourteen years ago) link
the thing on 60 minutes was just a few seconds of them describing how they were just moving them all to this one place
― harbl, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 01:24 (fourteen years ago) link
there was a v grim report on fox today from steve harrigan who was watching as they moved bodies into mass graves. it is on that mediaite site right now. awful stuff, but that is the reality. seems that so much infrastructure was destroyed or not there to begin with.. they just can't get to a lot of places.
― kicker conspiracy (n. kaeding ha ha) (daria-g), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 01:30 (fourteen years ago) link
I saw another awful report on a nursing home that was mostly destroyed with survivors lacking all necessities. These poor elderly people were just lying on the ground waiting to die. Horrible. And a news story about a Dutch search and rescue team that tried to find survivors in a school, and a local man said there were 40 children in the school when the earthquake struck, but "you came too late."
― Super Cub, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 03:58 (fourteen years ago) link
Anderson Cooper is frustrated that the UN did not let doctors in sooner
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 04:14 (fourteen years ago) link
The report I saw on the debts that France, the US and other countries were making Haiti pay back for years and years was amazing.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 04:16 (fourteen years ago) link
I did hear that as of yesterday more than 11 million had been given in text message donations - that was nice
― cogito, ergo some dude (dyao), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 04:17 (fourteen years ago) link
23 million iirc
― guardian nagle (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 04:18 (fourteen years ago) link
happy to be wrong about that
― cogito, ergo some dude (dyao), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 04:20 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah i was watching anderson cooper. it's weird, he's upset like we're on the ground here, and don't understand why things aren't getting done, i'm just trying to put the pieces together, are all these agencies just too bureaucratic, what's going on? and i'm thinking.. YOU WORK AT CNN ASK THEM
going to check bbc for actual information now
― kicker conspiracy (n. kaeding ha ha) (daria-g), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 04:23 (fourteen years ago) link
man
― everybody's into weirdness right now (gbx), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 04:52 (fourteen years ago) link
http://gawker.com/5451086/john-travolta-to-airlift-desperately-needed-e+meters-to-people-of-haiti
― ♖♕♖ (am0n), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 05:40 (fourteen years ago) link
i am just gonna lol because srsly what else is there you know
― everybody's into weirdness right now (gbx), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 05:44 (fourteen years ago) link
ya kind of a tossup between lol and facepalm
― ♖♕♖ (am0n), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 05:45 (fourteen years ago) link
you guys laugh but i bet the people of haiti are seriously stressed right now
― max, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 10:03 (fourteen years ago) link
Miami Herald doing some solid work in the last week. Here's a piece on the loss of political activists, musicians, etc....(just the tip of the iceberg of course):
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/americas/haiti/v-fullstory/story/1432784.html
― collardio gelatinous, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 14:24 (fourteen years ago) link
just went through the NYT slideshow
― mage pit laceration (gbx), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 14:26 (fourteen years ago) link
The big picture has some strong stuff as well
― stet, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 15:08 (fourteen years ago) link
My friend Kevin is a writer for Stars & Stripes, just tweeted this. The magnitude of this whole thing is incomprehensible to me.
Okinawa-based US Marine lance cpl's Haitian wife, 7 mos pregnant, slept outside w dead bodies, no food for days. http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=67345
― Snake Effect Low (Pancakes Hackman), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 15:28 (fourteen years ago) link
many ppl I've talked to don't really have any idea just how bad it is. like think only a "few" thousand died not 200k
― mage pit laceration (gbx), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 16:39 (fourteen years ago) link
http://twitter.com/PIH_org
― mage pit laceration (gbx), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 20:13 (fourteen years ago) link
But United States officials say they worry that in the coming weeks, worsening conditions in Haiti could spur an exodus. They have not only started a campaign to persuade Haitians to stay put, but they are also laying plans to scoop up any boats carrying illegal immigrants and send them to Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.
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The State Department has also been denying many seriously injured people in Port-au-Prince visas to be transferred to Miami for surgery and treatment, said Dr. William O’Neill, the dean of the Miller School of Medicine at the University of Miami, which has erected a field hospital near the airport there.
“It’s beyond insane,” Dr. O’Neill said Saturday, having just returned to Miami from Haiti. “It’s bureaucracy at its worse.”
From the New York Times
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 20:26 (fourteen years ago) link
get ready for another shameful few years of gitmo dudes
this shit is gonna morbs me right up
― mage pit laceration (gbx), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 20:30 (fourteen years ago) link
urgh. btw thanks for the donation push, gbx. pih is great (i used to work at their US-based project). i also gotta rep for Oxfam America. first of all b/c my wife works there. second b/c they're v. good and v. efficient. they have a presence in haiti supporting & working with grassroots projects, and their focus in the immediate aftermath of the quake is simple: get clean water to the people. http://www.oxfamamerica.org/
― collardio gelatinous, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 20:35 (fourteen years ago) link
will check it out thx CG. did you know my pal j3ff k4hn (wrote the huffpost ed upthread)? he's worked in Haiti for a while but I think his time with pih was domestic. woulda been five years ago I think?
― mage pit laceration (gbx), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 20:47 (fourteen years ago) link
What I'm wondering now is what is going to happen a month from now when most immediate health/resource needs have been taken care of? Where are people going to go? What exactly is going to happen? This seems like a really scary no-mans-land
― kate moss and heavy machinery in a dessert (Stevie D), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 20:51 (fourteen years ago) link
xp. the name rings a bell, gbx. program i worked in was based in codman square; and i didn't get to know all the folks working in pih's HQ.
― collardio gelatinous, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link
Stevie I wonder the same thing. xp
― collardio gelatinous, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 21:01 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah that is the $900m question.
ALL infrastrucure will have to be rebuilt in a city of four million. I don't have numbers, but I infer from the coverage that basically most buildings have collapsed and those that remain ought to be considered highly unstable and should be knocked down prophylactically. The streets are impassable and filled with the dead. Water is coming from...the country? Deforestation has iirc made Haiti a pretty arid place. Which also compromises the indigenous food supply (tho for all I know they've been importing food for ages per the usual World Bank schema).
If hundreds of thousands have died in the last week, that many again can expect the same if foreign powers don't make a concerted effort toa) accept refugees. likely permanently. b) aggressively rebuild (tho here you get into some shock doctrine territory)c) keep the peace during the very likely to be violent scramble for resources. d) forgive the debt incurred by this AND the one that has already accrued.
Otherwise, well, man.
― mage pit laceration (gbx), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 21:26 (fourteen years ago) link
also Stevie while I have heaps of faith in the medicos and orgs down there providing aid, there is no way haitis health problems are going away in a month or even six. Disasters always pull a train of secondary health problems, most (iirc) water related. Overlay that on a population that has a horrifying AIDS rate (and associated problems with TB) and you've got health problems to occupy a generation of physicians.
Part of me thinks that the best thing for Haiti would a diasporic (not a word?) release valve. Damaging culturally but while no one likes an immigrant, I still think many would be better of grudgingly accomodated by Western healthcare systems than they would by the nonexistent system in now and future Haiti.
lol tho of course this won't happen
― mage pit laceration (gbx), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 21:33 (fourteen years ago) link
oh God :(
― kate moss and heavy machinery in a dessert (Stevie D), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 21:56 (fourteen years ago) link
the more I learn the more saddo I get about this whole thing
― kate moss and heavy machinery in a dessert (Stevie D), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 21:57 (fourteen years ago) link
OMFG @ this: http://blog.nj.com/njv_bob_braun/2010/01/a_father_in_haiti_works_to_fin.html
― kate moss and heavy machinery in a dessert (Stevie D), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 22:23 (fourteen years ago) link
well that's horrible
I dunno but this is affecting me way more than other recent horrible things (of which there is an unending supply). it's infuriating
― mage pit laceration (gbx), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 22:36 (fourteen years ago) link
Journalist friend of mine told me earlier that a senior UN official is briefing that Haiti is essentially uninhabitable, and will be for the long-term foreseeable. He stopped short of the "and so should be abandoned" stuff that was bandied about after Katrina, though. Can't find a cite of it anywhere online.
― stet, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 23:31 (fourteen years ago) link
Really said Haiti as a whole and not just Port-au-Prince?
― Alba, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 23:33 (fourteen years ago) link
I was wondering about that myself- was the rest of Haiti devastated like p-a-p?
― voices from the manstep (brownie), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 23:36 (fourteen years ago) link