No I mean more like...wouldn't they have got suspicious maybe if he knew stuff that Locke couldn't have known, like Jacob's whereabouts?
Oh man, of course, you're right. Though he did charge around acting like he knew all sorts of things because 'the island told me', so what he's professing to know is pretty inconsistent.
― Brakhage, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 22:51 (fourteen years ago) link
The other flaw in the Long Con argument was that it depended on Ben, Jack, Ellie and the woman in the butcher's shop bringing Locke's body back in the correct way. We don't yet know what prompted Ben to take that course of action though.
Yeah, this kind of depends on who Ben/the Others were actually taking orders from - Ben says that he has to get Locke back there, and Widmore is very keen on getting Locke back there as well, which makes me wonder if MIB was ordering people around from the cabin as Jacob. But it is a pretty big hole.
― Brakhage, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 22:54 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost yeah if he'd really done his homework on locke he could have ranted on about anything!
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 22:55 (fourteen years ago) link
Wasn't Ben only interested in Locke being on the plane to match the conditions of the flight as closely as possible (since he is really only interested in getting back)?
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 22:58 (fourteen years ago) link
In his butcher shop conversation he makes it sound like it's a big deal that Locke be returned intact.
I love since he's a compulsive liar he's the character most free of continuity problems.
― Brakhage, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 23:00 (fourteen years ago) link
ha! half the characters on the show are compulsive liars!
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 23:02 (fourteen years ago) link
w/r/t to Locke's body - dead characters wandering around the island have to have their bodies on island (i'm not sure whether they actually have to have died there): Remi, Christian, Alex. So if Locke's body is off-island, no dead Locke to possess.
― Brakhage, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 23:11 (fourteen years ago) link
I love the long con deception layers - there's no holy "island" consciousness that Ben, Widmore and Locke all believe in, but actually Jacob and Esau - the same way the "others" are Ben and Widmore duking it out (the original S1 others vs. S4 invaders).
― Nhex, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 00:22 (fourteen years ago) link
kind of hate that because the show becomes
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it was a chess game all along
― super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 00:31 (fourteen years ago) link
ok so I put an image between those two lines and it isnt showing up but just imagine a boot stamping on an island's face
forever
yeah it's funny how the implied big bad or most ominous/mysterious character has shifted over and over through the course of the show -- Ethan then Mr. Friendly then Ben then Richard then Widmore then Jacob then Jacob's enemy and so on.
― some dude, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 00:33 (fourteen years ago) link
u forgot the most hated character
― super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 00:37 (fourteen years ago) link
michelle rodriguez
yo man, that is uncool
― Nhex, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 00:45 (fourteen years ago) link
nah she was my most hated i think!
― tehresa, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 01:22 (fourteen years ago) link
I thought "the Sheriff" was pretty ominous/mysterious too but hey then they forgot about her along with everything else :(
― Not the real Village People, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 02:46 (fourteen years ago) link
What would be really awesome would be if the next/final Locke flashback was what happened to him immediately after the Ajira Airlines flight crashed on the Island.
― Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 10:28 (fourteen years ago) link
i like the idea that there could be thanks to the jughead reset a 3rd locke still in a wheelchair actually...maybe it's HIS destiny to save everyone.
btw guys you realize season 6 is only THIRTEEN FUCKING DAYS AWAY!??!!!
― did you mean: fart blasters? (nickalicious), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 21:00 (fourteen years ago) link
3rd locke's destiny is to save everyone from 2nd locke
― did you mean: fart blasters? (nickalicious), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 21:02 (fourteen years ago) link
it's a good time for TV - dollhouse is almost over, but Burn Notice is back tomorrow and Damages is back next week... THEN i can go into full HYPE!!! mode for Lost
― Nhex, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 21:04 (fourteen years ago) link
the next locke flashback should be him inexplicably working at a taco stand
― super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 21:11 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm fuckin hungry
k thank god the rain hasn't driven the taco truck away
― super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 21:12 (fourteen years ago) link
erm...his corpse shifted an inch in the box???
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 21:12 (fourteen years ago) link
after it lands on the taco stand obvs.
― super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 21:14 (fourteen years ago) link
DON'T TELL ME WHAT TACO I CAN'T MAKE
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 21:15 (fourteen years ago) link
Damages is back soon? This is brilliant.
― Not the real Village People, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 21:23 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1D-cuc8OTI
― mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 21 January 2010 00:25 (fourteen years ago) link
guys I wanna do a "LOST character who you are most anxious to find out what the hell their deal is in season six" poll thread, any suggestions?
― some dude, Thursday, 21 January 2010 03:09 (fourteen years ago) link
this is a list i came up w/ of people i feel like still have nagging questions hanging over them, kinda wanna keep the options limited since there are so many Jack/Kate/etc. type characters who there's nothing left to wonder about anymore:
Charles WidmoreChristian ShepherdClaireDesmondEloise HawkingHurleyIlanaJacobJacob’s enemyJohn LockeLibbyRichard AlpertWalt
― some dude, Thursday, 21 January 2010 03:13 (fourteen years ago) link
― max, Thursday, 21 January 2010 03:16 (fourteen years ago) link
nah clearly there will be a separate animals poll
― some dude, Thursday, 21 January 2010 03:19 (fourteen years ago) link
still think the frog that bugged Sawyer had some dark secrets
― some dude, Thursday, 21 January 2010 03:22 (fourteen years ago) link
NikkiPaulo
Their time will come.
I think the main reason there's questions over Libby is that one time she appeared in Hurley's mental hospital it was like some big reveal. I dunno, if she'd been just sitting there quietly rocking in the background it wouldn't have been so myssteeriousss.
― Not the real Village People, Thursday, 21 January 2010 03:43 (fourteen years ago) link
what about that spider that bit nikki and paulo, huh???
― tehresa, Thursday, 21 January 2010 04:04 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost there's also that time she met desmond in an airport and gave him a boat.
― Roz, Thursday, 21 January 2010 04:21 (fourteen years ago) link
i believe it was a coffee shop.
― tehresa, Thursday, 21 January 2010 04:26 (fourteen years ago) link
wasn't it?
now you have me questioning my whole world oh my
hmmm... coffee shop in an airport? des didn't have any american dollars or something?
― Roz, Thursday, 21 January 2010 04:29 (fourteen years ago) link
i feel like desmond's story is pretty well wrapped up actually.
here's a short list of things i'm pretty confident won't be addressed in season 6 that i wish they had gotten around to, maybe instead of like the jack's tattoo episode or something:
-what happened to annie (ben's ladyfriend)-who was eko's wife (remember he said he had been married, but that she wasn't on the plane)-how/why widmore was banished from the island-where the fuck are the children that the others took
― did you mean: fart blasters? (nickalicious), Thursday, 21 January 2010 20:52 (fourteen years ago) link
been watching from the beginning with my girlfriend who has never watched it and i am almost willing to believe by the way jack and claire interact in season 1 that just maaaaybe they had always intended them to be secret siblings.
― did you mean: fart blasters? (nickalicious), Thursday, 21 January 2010 20:55 (fourteen years ago) link
is Annie the lady in the butcher shop?
― some dude, Thursday, 21 January 2010 20:55 (fourteen years ago) link
oh wait n/m -- i totally forgot about the Annie episode
― some dude, Thursday, 21 January 2010 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link
xp No, the little girl who was in DHARMA when he joined as a boy, gave him papier mache figures as a birthday present. Yeah, I think Ben's still got a few juicy bits of backstory to go.
Surprised not much has been made of Aaron's father considering the show's themes and the significance of the baby early on.
― Not the real Village People, Thursday, 21 January 2010 20:58 (fourteen years ago) link
They really could've just let Desmond and Penny ride off into the sunset after season four, but of course, the island isn't done with him... Not really sure why they did that, honestly - dude's been through enough!
My Annie guess remains that she was pregnant with Ben's kid and died in childbirth, leading to his obsession with the pregnancy research - at least we'll find out for sure this season (I think) why Ben initiated it all in S1 with the kidnappings. Pretty sure the producers said they'd finally get back to that now - makes sense with the seasonal mirroring (4/3, 5/2, 6/1), Claire coming back, I think Walt does too, at least briefly. But yeah - I do think they've been holding it back for THIS long because it'll be the final Ben flashback story - there have been too many mentions/hints about her for Annie to be dropped entirely.
There might've been an incident, but basically we know that Widmore was kicked off because of Ben - he used Widmore getting married off-island and having kids as an excuse - whatever actually happened during the 80s I think might just be too much junk to delve into at this point. But who knows, I'm still dying for a full Libby episode.
― Nhex, Thursday, 21 January 2010 21:02 (fourteen years ago) link
the spider who killed nikki and paolo was smokey!
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 21 January 2010 21:05 (fourteen years ago) link
i know this sounds batshit but i read damon and carlton confirming this somewhere...apparently you hear the smokey clicking noise too
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 21 January 2010 21:06 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah wasn't it some kind of mix of cash register/typewriter noise or something?
― Nhex, Thursday, 21 January 2010 21:15 (fourteen years ago) link
lol even Smokey found them irritating and useless
― Vajazzle My Nazzle (HI DERE), Thursday, 21 January 2010 21:15 (fourteen years ago) link