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I know (from listening to the woman next to me) that English Melodeons have only diatonic buttons (8 note scale), while Irish Melodeons have the full chromatic (12 note scale) scale with sharps and flats. She was saying that English melodeon players tend to have so many different melodeons in so many different keys because there are certain notes that just don't exist on the instruments!

It's fascinating the things that you learn just from hanging around at this club.

Still haven't quite cracked the functional difference between a Melodeon and an Accordion - I think the latter have a piano keyboard on them?

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 26 April 2007 11:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Fiddles for tunes. Guitars for songs. Innit? Accordions = Jimmy Shand. Innit?

― Tom D., Thursday, 26 April 2007 11:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Fiddles for tunes. Guitars for songs. Innit?

Possibly true. Unless you are 1) Jon and John or 2) that great old Swedish-American bloke who comes and plays fantastic Swedish drinking songs on the fiddle while insisting "I'm not a fiddle player, I'm a guitar and banjo picker who insists on playing the fiddle!" He's really amazing.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 26 April 2007 11:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Melodeons generally only have access to one or two keys, that's why melodeon players have so many. An accordion can sound in any key. Melodeons are cheaper because of this.

― Ed, Thursday, 26 April 2007 11:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Ah Scandinavian fiddle music, there's a folk genre worth looking into!

― Tom D., Thursday, 26 April 2007 11:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I did like his, 'we've had too much booze, but there's some on your bottle, let's drink it and end on the floor with the sailors' polka

― Ed, Thursday, 26 April 2007 11:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Fiddles with sympathetic strings!

― Tom D., Thursday, 26 April 2007 11:27 (seventeen years ago) link

four!

― Mark G, Thursday, 26 April 2007 11:28 (seventeen years ago) link

What you need to play in any key is a chromatic scale, not a diatonic one! (or is it the other way around?) i.e. an Irish Melodeon not an English one. You need to have a full range of sharps and flats to play in any key. Like a piano keyboard.

The Swedish folk songs are great, he sings them in Swedish first, and they sound mysterious and lovely, then he sings them in English and they have lyrics like "no, you cannot have my vodka, because I have almost none left. And we have drunk all the other drink in the house. And if we finish the vodka we will pass out on the floor!" Sweden sounds like great fun.

But then again, if I judged places by the morals of folk songs, I would never ever go to London for fear of being run off with by a sailor, and I would never go abroad on the very first morning of May for fear of being 1) raped and/or killeed if female or 2) pressed to sea if male.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 26 April 2007 11:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I think the key thing refers to the basses and then you the the chromatic/diatonic subdivision within melodeons.

― Ed, Thursday, 26 April 2007 11:33 (seventeen years ago) link

At least we solved the bass guitar vs. bass melodeon conundrum - i.e. electric bass without drums is pants but bass melodeon = TEH ROX0R!!!

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 26 April 2007 11:35 (seventeen years ago) link

It appears that in irish and cajun music a melodeon only refers to a diatonic single row button accordion, but in england it refers to any button accordion.

― Ed, Thursday, 26 April 2007 11:37 (seventeen years ago) link

And what about concertinas?

― Tom D., Thursday, 26 April 2007 11:41 (seventeen years ago) link

In the random facts from ILX that make me happy department:

I've seen the direct translation used: interrete or simply rete. The World Wide Web may be translated as Tela Totius Terrae (TTT).

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 26 April 2007 11:46 (seventeen years ago) link

English ones are full range concert instruments. Others are diatonic.

― Ed, Thursday, 26 April 2007 11:48 (seventeen years ago) link

The universe is permeated with the odour of barbeque sauce.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 26 April 2007 12:03 (seventeen years ago) link

From what I see, Irish music goes round tuning everything they can get there hands on in 5ths and playing a lot in the keys of C and G (easiest chords on a 5ths tuned instrument) because the fiddle is the key instrument.

There's a lot more brass in the history of English music so Bb and Eb instruments and weird tunings are a lot more common. However in the last 50 years or so the irish style has been crossing over to england (and to a certain extent has been present in some areas of England for a long time where fiddles have been common or local tunings have been around C or G)

― Ed, Thursday, 26 April 2007 12:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Huge broad brush generalisations there.

― Ed, Thursday, 26 April 2007 12:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Tuning in fifths is only really good for instruments where 1) they have tiny short scales or 2) are mainly lead instruments or drones, not chords.

Unless the Irish have, like, REALLY MASSIVE HANDS.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 26 April 2007 12:15 (seventeen years ago) link

It's a nice day here. Some clear blue skies! So should I listen to some fine desert rock by Kyuss or should I play Sunflower/Surfs up by The Beach Boys?

Onimo/Teh Kit enjoy ATP this weekend!

emil.y > How was the Low gig?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 26 April 2007 12:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Don't mess with the Irish:

http://www.independentcritics.com/images/science%20of%20sleep%20SPLASH.jpg

BEARTRAPS

― G00blar, Thursday, 26 April 2007 12:20 (seventeen years ago) link

A Kyuss website turned up in my dreams last night! And I haven't even listened to it yet!

x-post ARGH!!! no wonder they make those silly "promise ring" things with the freaky disembodied hands on them.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 26 April 2007 12:22 (seventeen years ago) link

My 2 Pola Negri DVDs just arrived from the states!

Check out the story on one of them, WTF:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0016548/usercomments

― Pashmina, Thursday, 26 April 2007 12:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Look bellzouki copies with three pickups.

― Ed, Thursday, 26 April 2007 12:32 (seventeen years ago) link

The muso corner on Billy Bragg's forum has some interesting stuff, the guitar talk is good.

― Ed, Thursday, 26 April 2007 12:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Those aren't bellzouki copies! Those are fake Vox Teardrops!

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 26 April 2007 12:36 (seventeen years ago) link

some of this guy's instruments might interest you, Ed:

http://www.jerryjonesguitars.com/index.htm

― Pashmina, Thursday, 26 April 2007 12:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Aw yeah...

Ultimately, the Countess confronts the hypocritical Granger at a meeting of the town council. Armed with a horse-whip, she flogs him bloody before the shocked assembly of village elders.

My kind of a lady!

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 26 April 2007 12:38 (seventeen years ago) link

however fucking chr1s m@rt1n plays one

― Ed, Thursday, 26 April 2007 12:41 (seventeen years ago) link

So did Brian Jones. (A vox teardrop, at least.)

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 26 April 2007 12:42 (seventeen years ago) link

That cutaway 12 string is lovely.

― Ed, Thursday, 26 April 2007 12:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Ha ha ha, we are comparing the looks of the new interviewees, cause apparently the last one they interviewed had beautiful cheekbones. I keep asking them to hire some eye candy for us ladies, but they never do!

And then somehow we got on the "I want a beard" conversation.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 26 April 2007 12:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Ah! Apparently if you get minoxadil on your face, you will grow facial hair! So what if I got it and rubbed it on my cheeks, would I get sideburns?!?!? Awesome! Too bad it's prescription only.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 26 April 2007 12:49 (seventeen years ago) link

mmmm Mulligatawny Soup = awesome lunches

Why do no two mulligatawnies ever taste the same?

I shall now contemplate afternoon CAKE.

― onimo, Thursday, 26 April 2007 12:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Ha ha, I've just remembered I used to think Mulligatawny soup was Irish when I was a lad

― Tom D., Thursday, 26 April 2007 12:52 (seventeen years ago) link

POLAR BEARS tbh

― g-kit, Thursday, 26 April 2007 12:53 (seventeen years ago) link

onimo check email (and others)

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 26 April 2007 12:56 (seventeen years ago) link

you want me to check my mail?

― g-kit, Thursday, 26 April 2007 12:57 (seventeen years ago) link

or you want onimo to check my mail?

― g-kit, Thursday, 26 April 2007 12:58 (seventeen years ago) link

i have no new mail

― g-kit, Thursday, 26 April 2007 12:59 (seventeen years ago) link

made you look

― Ed, Thursday, 26 April 2007 12:59 (seventeen years ago) link

i have new mail! aquarterof.co.uk have added Jelly Babies and Strawberry and Cream Jellies to their catalogue! Not to mention resurrecting Chelsea Whoppers!

― onimo, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:01 (seventeen years ago) link

oh wait

― onimo, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:01 (seventeen years ago) link

i have other new mail

thanks pfunkdude :)

― onimo, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I got a track from Dr. C's new band! Hurrah!

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:02 (seventeen years ago) link

you fuckers

― g-kit, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:03 (seventeen years ago) link

waht

― onimo, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Language, Timothy

― Tom D., Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:03 (seventeen years ago) link

No one else has mailed me all day - except a couple of Nigerian gentlemen wanting to share their ill gotten gains with me. :-(

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I sent you an email kate

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:06 (seventeen years ago) link

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