The Other Obligatory Thread: Buffy and Spin-offs

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only seen him in those angel episodes, I mean. but I have seen all his buffy ones I think.

― Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 04:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Surely in the Buffy Gang/Scooby Gang comparisons, Cordelia=Velma and Buffy=Scooby? Buffy as Scooby makes much more sense: Both are the titular character ("couldn't have the show without ya" and all that), both are the ones who end up catching the crook each week, both are secretly lusted after by the Shaggy figure...

― Simon Generic, Wednesday, 18 December 2002 08:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

"can someone explain to me how the total utter change in wesley occured? bear in mind I have only seen him since somewhere during the season where angel's baby is born."

Half reformed in between Buffy and his reappearance on Angel (became more of a superhero, though still an occasionally bumbling one), then under Angel's tutelage he gained confidence, brawn and an ability to think for himself. The big clincher though was when Angel went weird and fired Wesley and Cordelia, so that Wesley became head of what was formerly Angel Investigations. Which he still is, I think. Responsibility does odd things to people (look at Buffy!).

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 13:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

That Slayer in training sounded like the bastard child of Eliza Doolittle and Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins. Oy gevalt.

― rosemary (rosemary), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 15:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

I was more bothered by It's Not Really Dru But It's Just As Annoying.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 17:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

It was written by Marti Noxon, which explains the rub aspects of it -I think she is the First Evil.

I would like to know what the principal's deal is. Is he EEEEVIL, or just a sleeper/tool of the First, or an undercover Watcher, or what?

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 22:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm torn between two interpretations. (a) He is black and on Buffy = he will turn out evil eventually. (b) Whedon's noticed this and is reversing trend.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 22:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Kendra wasn't evil though! But she had a horrible accent and died a lame Jango Fett death, so I see your point.

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 22:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

"I'm torn between two interpretations. (a) He is black and on Buffy = he will turn out evil eventually. (b) Whedon's noticed this and is reversing trend."

How many other black characters have there been actually? Riley's friend? I think the original principal was black but he was a) nice, and b) killed before he could become evil.

Oh yeah and didn't Kendra end up on Dawson's Creek? That was odd.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 22:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

'the ice is so slippery, and monkeys are so irrational'

!!!

― Josh (Josh), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 00:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

Mr Tricks was another black character. He was a nasty man who met a dusty end.

― Celeste (Celeste), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 21:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

three weeks pass...

I think that Buffy seems to be in a slow process of pruning away the most annoying characters. Now the only really intolerable one is Dawn, but before they had Cordelia, Wesley, Riley, Angel, Oz, High School Willow, Glory, Ben, Drusilla, Harmony...

I also like that in these newer episodes (seasons 6 and 7), the whole show just seems consumed with depressive lethargy.

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Saturday, 18 January 2003 10:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

Meanwhile, Angel is pretty much all annoying characters. I usually watch the show with my mother, and we suddenly realized that we both hate every character except Wesley (who somehow is far less annoying on Angel) and Lilah. Fred, Gunn, Cordelia, Connor, Angel...all grating.

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Saturday, 18 January 2003 11:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

it's like life!!

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 18 January 2003 11:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

Not MY life. He said haughtily.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 18 January 2003 15:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

You're just saying that because you're a Cordelia.

― Nicole (Nicole), Saturday, 18 January 2003 16:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

It must be a compliment! ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 18 January 2003 16:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

I found out my parents watch Angel. They like the "green singing man". They'd never even heard of Buffy. I'm not sure if I find that very cool or very odd. Mind you I've always wondered that about my family.

― Celeste (Celeste), Saturday, 18 January 2003 19:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

* still recovering from shock of hearing High School Willow and Oz described as "annoying"*

They're showing Season 4 again over here...if Oz is hip to The Velvet Underground (at one point in today's episode he was inspecting Giles' record collection and geeked out- in his own catatonic way, of course- over Loaded), how come his band sounds like Nickelback? And how the hell do Eater (whose t-shirt he has worn in earlier seasons) fit in with this?

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 18 January 2003 23:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

three months pass...

A brief thought that came into my head today:
Buffy and everyone around her are damaged people who can no longer function in a normal way. This is what I like about seasons 6 & 7.
There's this sense that they're all *this close* to becoming total gibbering wrecks. They're tired. All they can do is save the world. And if that was no longer a priority, then they'd simply cease to function. They no longer relate to the rest of the world. They've lost all ambition, all traces of outside lives.
There can never be a happy ending for them.

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Sunday, 11 May 2003 05:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think you're talking about the writers of the show.

― Carey (Carey), Sunday, 11 May 2003 13:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

All they can do is save the world. And if that was no longer a priority, then they'd simply cease to function.

Substitute 'write about music' for 'save the world' and that's been me at some of my darker moments over the past couple of years. It's been an interesting adjustment...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 11 May 2003 13:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

What season are you in, Ned, and what's the story arc?

I love Buffy so much that I am deeply saddened by most of Season 7 (I actually loved season 6). I don't think the writers intentionally made them out to be shadows of their former selves but rather the writers and maybe actors can't get it up anymore. Buffy is this cold cold bitch now and SMG can only act with her patented "argry arms" (tm TWOP).

― Carey (Carey), Sunday, 11 May 2003 14:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ned, hush. You should know better than that.

― Nicole (Nicole), Sunday, 11 May 2003 14:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

Don't forget the pursed lips, Carey! That's her only other patented acting tic this season.

― Nicole (Nicole), Sunday, 11 May 2003 14:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeah someone said that it's hard to tell the difference between 1st Buffy and good Buffy now.

― Carey (Carey), Sunday, 11 May 2003 14:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

It is. The only difference is that the 1st Buffy is sometimes nice to Caleb, and I see no evidence of the real Buffy being nice to anyone.

― Nicole (Nicole), Sunday, 11 May 2003 14:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

am I the only one who totally regrets that the long-awaited Buffy cartoon never got on the air?

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 12 May 2003 07:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

No. I loved the concept drawings that were done for it, it probably would have been a lot of fun.

― Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 12 May 2003 11:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

nine months pass...

Buffy's little sis in her own teen movie

― Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 21:07 (twenty years ago) link

I preferred Angel post S3 Buffy.

― Barima (Barima), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:48 (twenty years ago) link

After "Eurotrip," she'll be seen on HBO's "Six Feet Under" as a spoiled, Christina Aguilera-like pop diva.

Sweet!

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:15 (twenty years ago) link

They forgot the 'who has died and needs to be interred' part -- but she's still spoiled from BEYOND THE GRAVE.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:16 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...

Hey! How come no one told me that Alyson married Wesley?

― Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 00:26 (twenty years ago) link

how crazy is that?! for real!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 00:53 (twenty years ago) link

for the harold bishop mentions alone this thread is classic

― pete s, Tuesday, 30 March 2004 01:04 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...

Not really a spin off, but HBO have given Alan Ball the green light to do True Blood - based on Charlaine Harris' 'Southern Vampire' series. I'm hoping it might be the 'Claire Fisher - Vampire Slayer' mashup I always dreamt of.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 08:41 (seventeen years ago) link

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