srsly tho, "it came from outer space" would be as much as a deus ex machina copout as the snowglobe theoury, omg it's all in HURLEY'S MIND, etc. Not that I think they'll go there, but I guess they coooooouuuld...
I loved these eps, tho. The PseudoLocke/Alpert/Ben stuff, especially, was a HUGE payoff imo. Echoing the sentiments of others, I'm a bit wary of the parallel timelines, but they pulled flash-forward & time-skipping devices off well enough that I'm not that worried about it. Someone else mentioned this, but yeah there seemed to be a serious Apocalypse Now nod going down b/w Locke in The Foot & the temple o doom.
― they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 11:01 (fourteen years ago) link
good episodes i thought
― max, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 11:14 (fourteen years ago) link
glad to see the new others
yeah that was frogurt. He got killed in the beginning of season 5 by the flaming arrows. I think he also had season one screen time, but don't remember him.
I think he was just mentioned in SSN 1. He 1st appeared in one of those webisodes, needling Hurley about Libby.
Re: Smoke Locke's home. Could be he wants to escape the island and go back to the mainland (Egypt? Tunisia?) In which case the island all along may have been a prison colony for an evil spirit, with Jacob as jailer.
He left Ben behind, right? Which means another SSN of prisoner Ben cracking jokes.
I figure when we get an Alpert-centric episode we'll find out that the Asian Temple guy is also ageless & was on that boat we saw, (or came even earlier.)
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 11:55 (fourteen years ago) link
I like this theory. The Egyptians, with their mysteriously advanced maths & such were able to utilize some channel of electromagnetic power/timespace manipulation thingamajig to send the Smokey entity into a vacuum, which Jacob was responsible for guarding, acting as or in accordance with whatever deity is represented by the statue..
― they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 12:15 (fourteen years ago) link
Guys all this talk about Smokey possessing people and this -- they had to drown him so he had a dead body to jump into like the black tunic guy did Locke -- ignores the fact that Locke's body is currently lying on the beach, unpossessed by anybody. I don't think he possesses any bodies, he just somehow "scans" people like he did with Eko, and can then impersonate them, or someone important from their lives, later.
― El Poopo Loco (Pancakes Hackman), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 12:17 (fourteen years ago) link
..Except their were rips in the envelope that allowed occasional passers by to stumble upon or, alternatively, be purposely drawn to the island. Of those, certain individuals were granted preferential status by Jacob & taken on as his accomplices. Alpert & possibly Asian shaman are two of those & Ben conned his way past Widmore into such a position, tho he was either just lying consistently to protect the grift or was unknowingly working for Smokey the whole time. OK I'm done (for now).
― they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 12:32 (fourteen years ago) link
ugh, typos. whatevs. it's early.
― they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 12:33 (fourteen years ago) link
I wonder if there's something significant about Sayid that made him the one to save. Maybe Jacob needs a body to ump into & Sayid's is the most available. But perhaps it has something to do w/ causalty: Sayid shot by Roger Linus in retaliation for shooting Ben--who was taken to the Temple, lost his innocence & grew up to kill Jacob.
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 12:37 (fourteen years ago) link
GUYS THE ISLAND IS UNDERWATER
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 12:47 (fourteen years ago) link
and i still haven't received an answer why desmond is on the plane?
I wonder if the Aquahotties are still there.
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 12:49 (fourteen years ago) link
Even if they're not "officially" still there, Hurley could prob kick it with em.
― they ate only candy canes (Pillbox), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 12:54 (fourteen years ago) link
didn't ben go to the temple to atone and meet smokey (when he became alex?). hmm.
he didn't go all the way in, he fell in that hole under the wall that they had to sneak around with Sayid's body
― dmr, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 13:10 (fourteen years ago) link
Locke's body is currently lying on the beach, unpossessed by anybody
well that's true. but for black tunic guy's plan to work it seemed like he needed Locke's body to actually be on the plane
― dmr, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 13:12 (fourteen years ago) link
― sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, February 3, 2010 6:47 AM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah this was weird. also shannon was not on the plane, and she was supposed to be.
so claire is dead, right?
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 13:19 (fourteen years ago) link
To be fair when Shannon wasn't on the plane my first thought was just "they couldn't get the actress back".
Seeing Arzt was weird, he seems to have aged a lot.
― JimD, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 13:21 (fourteen years ago) link
btw lols at john lennon and steve aoki
― max, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 13:22 (fourteen years ago) link
for black tunic guy's plan to work it seemed like he needed Locke's body to actually be on the plane
Right, because he needed Ben et al to believe Locke had come back to life. But he's not physically possessing Locke, he's just appearing as Locke.
That doesn't mean Jacob isn't in Sayid's body, but I don't think it's the case. I don't think either of these guys actually take over other people's bodies.
― El Poopo Loco (Pancakes Hackman), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:24 (fourteen years ago) link
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, February 3, 2010 8:19 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
the things that were different on the plane i think are pretty key and important -- i wonder if Charlie having a completely different haircut is meant to be one of the big differences or if they were just feeling lazy about continuity since they knew it didn't have to be a mirror image. also Hurley is lucky instead of unlucky, so at least some of their lives before getting on the plane are different here.
― PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:31 (fourteen years ago) link
I wonder if the Sun that landed at LAX really doesn't know English? If so, that's a pretty key difference as well. Also loved how Mr. Federal Marshall gets his briefcase head wound anyway thanks to Kate. And Sawyer warning Hurley about possibly being conned.
― El Poopo Loco (Pancakes Hackman), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:34 (fourteen years ago) link
oh right, that too -- i felt like they were trying to say Sun doesn't speak English but I guess it's still ambiguous enough
― PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:36 (fourteen years ago) link
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i thought they were hinting that locke would be able to walk, too, but clearly that didnt happen
― max, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:36 (fourteen years ago) link
oh and obviously shannon not being on the plane
Why was Jack's neck bleeding btw?
― JimD, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:39 (fourteen years ago) link
aids
― max, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:40 (fourteen years ago) link
Assuming it was Jughead that knocked the Island out of orbit & into the water, does that mean that everyone there in 1977 (Ben, Eloise, Widmore, Alpert, Dharma folk not on the sub) are dead and anyone who came to the Island post-77 (Rousseau, Kelvin, Juliet, most of the modern Others) are alive on the mainland?
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:41 (fourteen years ago) link
Does Sun not speak English, or was she pretending to not speak English in hopes that Jin would get arrested, since she wants to get out of the relationship?
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:41 (fourteen years ago) link
because the latter was my interpretation
― JimD, Wednesday, February 3, 2010 9:39 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
so they have something to connect the preceding events to when shown later on, a la the rip in Ben's coat
― PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:45 (fourteen years ago) link
ooh good point n/a
I thought what n/a thought re: Sun and Jin
― PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:46 (fourteen years ago) link
wasn't Sun supposed to leave Jin in australia and then decided not to at the last minute and boarded the plane to america with him? I may be misremembering this.
― peter in montreal, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:51 (fourteen years ago) link
well since it's an ALTERNATE UNIVERSE, who knows?
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:55 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm mainly curious if they're going to keep these 2 parallel threads -- the group on the plane landing in LA, and the group still on the island -- going for most of the season until they merge and make some kind of sense, like the flash forwards in season 4, or if this will just be something they use to disorient people for the first few episodes.
― PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! PLIES! (some dude), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 14:59 (fourteen years ago) link
I realized I had read way too many comic books when they went back to Kate on the island and my wife was all "whaaaaaaaaat I am so confused" and I was all "oh awesome, they created a parallel universe!!!!"
― PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:00 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah I found myself having to explain the concept of parallel universes to my girlfriend
― peter in montreal, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:04 (fourteen years ago) link
lol women don't understand alternate realities
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:05 (fourteen years ago) link
Luckily my wife is a nerd like me, so we both got it pretty quickly.
― El Poopo Loco (Pancakes Hackman), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:06 (fourteen years ago) link
they're like "ooooh i have to go shooooopping, i don't have tiiiiiime to learn about string theory"
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:06 (fourteen years ago) link
so uh smoke monster is basically agent smith then?
― phantompenguin, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:13 (fourteen years ago) link
"I just died ten minutes ago." "oh, bummer dude."
(this woman immediately understood the parallel timelines...)
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:23 (fourteen years ago) link
congratulations on yr new penis
― PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:26 (fourteen years ago) link
]any idea who the cab driver was that was driving Claire and who Kate held at gunpoint? looks familiar, but it's possible I've just seen him in some other tv show or movie rather than in Lost
― Nhex, Tuesday, February 2, 2010 11:49 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
pretty sure he is the puppet-master guy on heroes
you guys caught a ton of stuff I totally missed :O
― bnw, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:33 (fourteen years ago) link
did they mention why boone's sis wasn't on the plane?
― bnw, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:35 (fourteen years ago) link
boone was like, "i went to australia to get her out of a bad relationship... but she didnt want to get out" or something
― max, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:36 (fourteen years ago) link
then why was she on it the first time?
― bnw, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:39 (fourteen years ago) link
because it's a PARALLEL UNIVERSE whoooooooooo
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:40 (fourteen years ago) link
basically there's no point in wondering anything about the alternate timeline at this point because the fact that it's an alternate timeline means they can do whatever b.s. they want.
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:41 (fourteen years ago) link
i.e. couldn't book actress
― bnw, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:44 (fourteen years ago) link