Which of these conspiracy theories is most plausible?

More than all of these conspiracy theories, I dislike when people believe that the government never lies and people in positions of authority are always trustworthy.

Where are these people?

its Them. you know, Them.

In my parents' house. They're called my parents. (I'd been looking for my biological parents for YEARS and it turned out they were just in the living room and kitchen!)

Another question one could ask is: who *does* control world banking or (a slightly different issue, perhaps) the world economy?

The number one problem I have with banking conspiracies (whether it's Big Oil, the Rothchilds, the Illuminati, or whoever) is that they don't account for some basic sociology. People and companies in similar economic power groups will act similarly. No smoke-filled room is necessary.

Actually, though, one of the main things that pisses me off about the 'truther' movement is it has kind of ruined many nights of my beloved Coast-to-Coast AM. They'd still be on that show; I'd still be baffled and irritated at night as I listened to Noory concurring with them as I fall asleep.

I still miss Art Bell.

I'd go for Area 51, mainly because I want it to be true.

Sadly, I think the only thing there are vast piles of toxic waste leftover from whatever exotic materials were used to build Aurora, etc.

The UFO followers haven't really updated their story in 60 years. They're always pounding the same drum - ETs in spacecraft from another planet. If there's anything non-human to this (and I don't doubt that people see unidentified things in the sky) I suspect that it'll be *so* weird that we'll all feel like the confused Flatlanders.

ITS NOT ALIENS AT ALL THEY'RE TIME TRAVELLERS FROM OUR OWN FUTURE!!!¬!

How did we get this far in the thread without mentioning Skull And Bones?

Has anyone been to Roswell? They have a COW in their zoo. It is pretty incredible.

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dan i. has a point though, these theories are so blatantly stupid that they risk making us dismiss ANY account of ppl in power acting in collusion to make something bad happen. i.e., few would argue that the bush administration went out of its way to deceive the country about the danger posed by saddam, but i've heard serious ppl -- new york times columnists! -- argue that it's foolish and conspiratorial to argue that bush et al didn't sincerely believe that iraq posed a threat.

yes, but on the other hand they may or may not be part of the conspiracy which may or may not be ridiculous.

who can tell? we are but small automata tapping away in our little boxes.

I never feel like admitting this to people because I don't like to get in big hoohaws over it but I feel like yeah AIDS probably is man-made.

I would also like to believe in Hollow Earth, that's where the Grey's live.

I believe Jews are responsible for Hebrew National franks.

And I thank them.

wheres the conspiracy that suggests that human energy can effect the world around us (etc)? mioto water crystals

dan i. has a point though, these theories are so blatantly stupid that they risk making us dismiss ANY account of ppl in power acting in collusion to make something bad happen.

Aye. Appointing Henry Kissinger as head of the 9/11 Commission isn't exactly the work of a totally innocent party.

wheres the conspiracy that suggests that human energy can effect the world around us (etc)? mioto water crystals

I recall that some of them have moved on to quantum mind theories.

I just typed an entry casting doubt on climate change, and it hasn't appeared. Bloody scientist illuminati.

But don't respectable scientists, well, Roger Penrose at least, give some credence to quantum mind theories?

Hands off, lizards. Climate change on is the only one which seems at all plausible, and even then I wouldn't call it conspiracy, just a mistake that became fashionable and is now being reinforced by all sorts of cognitive biases. It's not like history isn't full of such errors.

Plus, I had an environmental textbook from the 80s of which the very first line was something like 'Now that manking is facing the initial stages of a new ice age...' so forgive me for being a bit sceptical here

Quantum mind stuff and Mioto crystals go in the "weird science" bin, not the "conspiracy theory" bin. Lots of respectable scientists attached to weird theories: orgones, etc.

lol did u guys miss the thread last week where captain lorax was trying to push that stuff

Hands off, lizards. Climate change on is the only one which seems at all plausible, and even then I wouldn't call it conspiracy, just a mistake that became fashionable and is now being reinforced by all sorts of cognitive biases. It's not like history isn't full of such errors.

Plus, I had an environmental textbook from the 80s of which the very first line was something like 'Now that manking is facing the initial stages of a new ice age...' so forgive me for being a bit sceptical here

yeah this is hell of otm, when i form opinions about science i tend to weigh my 80s-era enviro textbook against the opinion of thousands of climatologists from around the world

Well, I suppose Penrose's theories are more like "consciousness is mysterious and we don't understand it, quantum mechanics is mysterious and we don't understand it - THEY MUST BE RELATED!!!" rather than any of the "WOW PEOPLE CAN CONTROL CRYSTAL GROWTH WITH THE POWER OF THEIR MINDS!!!" bs.

Funny 80s "look out for new ice age!" hysteria is often used to make contemporary warnings about global warming appear foolish or premature, but the scientific support for global warming is much stronger than it ever was for global cooling. We know warming is happening, even the most ardent sceptics (along with the politicians who have most to lose) are beginning to accept this. The only real questions that remain have to do with why it's happening, whether it's "natural", what if anything can be done at this point to halt or reverse it, and how big a role human behavior and industry have played in the change.

fuck you guys I can totally control crystal growth with the power of my mind

fuck you guys I can totally control crystal growth with the power of my enormous pituitary gland

and the help of a qualified physician you mean

Key thing about the global cooling/ice age theory was that it was a handful of papers which promoted the theory and which was then picked up and distorted by the media. Scientists have known about co2's effect on climate since the 50's and predicted global warming as early as 1967.

yeah, but ismael klata's textbook said it was coming, so who knows whos right??

Well the crystals (that our positive or negative energy influences) is the size of a few molecules so you better get a large telescope to do the mioto water crystal experiment yourself.

But anyone can do his rice experiment (negative thoughts make the jar of rice get more moldy quicker than the positve-thoughts-rice-jar)... And all the youtubes for this show positive results. Mioto's work, although seeming unbelievable, has been 10 years strong and I haven't seen any real proof that he is wrong yet.

I have two jars of rice at home, one of which is more moldy than the other. Guess which one I put the happy thoughts in? That's right, the moldy one! QEmotherfuckingD.

And all the youtubes for this show positive results.

-- CaptainLorax

Now, now, those are clearly peer-reviewed youtubes.

Anyway, global warming may well yet suddenly induce a new Ice Age (killing off Gulf Stream, etc). Klata's textbook may be right yet!

The other thing about conspiracy theories is they usually seem to suggest a much higher level of competence than people are capable of. I mean look at the obvious Bush govt messing with truth/justice, etc: this stuff is obvious and unsubtle and cack-handed. Inability to stop 9/11 attacks earlier - cack-handedness and confusion. Not heeding Pearl Harbour warnings - cack-handedness and confusion. There's no conspiracy, it's just people not that great at their jobs. Surprise surprise.

faux-incompetence is part of the conspirators plans, brah!

they be fucking sneaky

no Philadelphia experiment no credibility

http://www.unmuseum.org/philex.jpg

Trying to skim through this whole thread made me do a double take - I thought j0hn said "fuck you guys I can totally control crystal METH with the power of my mind."

wheres the conspiracy that suggests that human energy can effect the world around us (etc)? mioto water crystals

That's not a conspiracy theory, it's just stupid.

But congrats on finding the weirdest trolling point ever, Cpn Lorax.

the size of a few molecules so you better get a large telescope to do the mioto water crystal experiment yourself.

telescope

best part, I totally missed that

I can change the size of my telescope using my mind

I can change the size of my telescope using a blow dryer.

the proper execution of the mioto experiments wouldn't allow any partiality at all. to do the experiment there would have to be no confounding variables. when someone says "I can wish all day on an internet random number generator (0,1) and the results will be 50/50... the problem with that experiment is that the generator isn't pure - from being on the internet. Thats what a lot of the rice and experiments fail from. Impurity in the construct that the experimenter fails to see.

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