Raging Bull = Catholic version
WHAT'D I DO, WHAT'D I DO
― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 February 2010 16:45 (fourteen years ago) link
i assumed the stuff at the beginning was to show that gopnik is cursed? (the couple were relations of gopnik's etc, though i could be reading in way too much.)
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Thursday, 18 February 2010 17:00 (fourteen years ago) link
I didn't catch that they were related to Gopnik but maybe I just missed that
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 18 February 2010 17:02 (fourteen years ago) link
The likes of "Look at the parking lot" is not a particularly Jewish concept; can fit in Zen, Christian mysticism, etc.
yeah well the mystic subsets of all the major religions are nearly identical when you get right down it
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:37 AM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark
this section of the movie parallels with the stoner lady next door, it's about "the sixties" -- the youngest rabbi, fresh out of school, probably has a lot of "the world is alive!!" type ish in his head! lutheran pastors of that age are the same way
― greg dulli appointed feduhral mahshulls (goole), Thursday, 18 February 2010 17:03 (fourteen years ago) link
i dont think they DID literally make some connection, but it was the best connection i could figure
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Thursday, 18 February 2010 17:03 (fourteen years ago) link
I haven't formed any ideas about the relationship btwn the prologue and the main plot, other than wives sure can cause trouble huh?
― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 February 2010 17:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Jews too.
― Inculcate a spirit of serfdom in children (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 February 2010 17:22 (fourteen years ago) link
sy is the dybbuk
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Thursday, 18 February 2010 17:23 (fourteen years ago) link
shit happens
― take me to your lemur (ledge), Thursday, 18 February 2010 17:24 (fourteen years ago) link
other than wives sure can cause trouble huh?
uh its the husband who brings home the dybbuk
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 18 February 2010 17:24 (fourteen years ago) link
altho I guess whether or not Fyvush actually is a dybbuk is open to interpretation
i was waiting during the whole middle third for some confirmation that the couple in the shtetl are larry's actual forbears, but, after a while, it's like, no, they're not going to give it to me that simply are they.
― greg dulli appointed feduhral mahshulls (goole), Thursday, 18 February 2010 17:24 (fourteen years ago) link
the shtetl sequence was actually lifted from an old f-troop
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Thursday, 18 February 2010 17:26 (fourteen years ago) link
rarely rerun
It's from McHale's Navy.
― Inculcate a spirit of serfdom in children (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 February 2010 17:27 (fourteen years ago) link
u know he is credited at the end as "dybbuk?"
― mo collier mo problems (s1ocki), Thursday, 18 February 2010 17:28 (fourteen years ago) link
did f-troop routinely have joeks that were "lol, the indians are all really jews (cos that's who played the indians in the movies)"? cos i saw one episode once on nick at nite and that was basically the deal.
― greg dulli appointed feduhral mahshulls (goole), Thursday, 18 February 2010 17:28 (fourteen years ago) link
all i remember about f-troop is a lot of bug-eyed double-takes and neck-snapping cuts between scenes
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Thursday, 18 February 2010 17:32 (fourteen years ago) link
amplified by Blaxing Saddles
xp
― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 February 2010 17:32 (fourteen years ago) link
i saw the point of the prologue to be the deliberate ambiguity of whether the visitor was truly the rabbi or a dybbuk? the question is dramatically unresolved, but i think it ties into Larry's struggle over whether his trials are supernatural or mundane in their origin, faith vs. doubt, etc.
― elmo leonard (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 18 February 2010 18:48 (fourteen years ago) link
i mean, it's tempting to assume that the wife is wrong but the coens sometimes bring strange infernal visions to the screen (raising arizona, barton fink) so i don't think a possible dybbuk fits in there dramatically
― elmo leonard (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 18 February 2010 18:52 (fourteen years ago) link
ugh, I mean I think it *does* fit in there dramatically
― elmo leonard (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 18 February 2010 18:53 (fourteen years ago) link
I only asked my actor-acquaintance who played the Shtetl Husband if Fyvush Finkel was a dybbuk IRL
― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 February 2010 21:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Whether or the wife is wrong about it being the dybbuk is sort of beside the point though as she's clearly not very polite to guests!
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 February 2010 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link
finally saw this--my favorite coen bros maybe ever
― max, Thursday, 18 February 2010 23:48 (fourteen years ago) link
ppl who think this is as misanthropic as burn after reading or raising arizona must have seen a difft movie than me, they loved these characters
"they" being the coens.
great ending.
― max, Thursday, 18 February 2010 23:49 (fourteen years ago) link
loved the scene w/ the kid and the old rabbi
― max, Thursday, 18 February 2010 23:50 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah I didn't get the sense that this was mean-spirited the way RA and BAR are, this seemed very affectionate to me
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 18 February 2010 23:53 (fourteen years ago) link
Raising Arizona is not misanthropic! Moves me to tears every time.
max, "be a good boy."
― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 February 2010 23:56 (fourteen years ago) link
I've probably seen the movie as many times as you have, and I always get the sense they are laughing AT those characters. its a comedy of errors populated by morons.
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 19 February 2010 00:02 (fourteen years ago) link
also lolz I have no idea what would move you to tears in RA, I know you ain't a sucker for babies/procreation/marriage
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 19 February 2010 00:03 (fourteen years ago) link
The ending totally does. Dude, real life and cinema do not signify in the same ways.
― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 February 2010 00:04 (fourteen years ago) link
(I'm sure you're not completely amoral despite yr love for You Know What)
― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 February 2010 00:05 (fourteen years ago) link
btw I've seen RA maybe 3x in 22 years, which is a lot for me.
― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 February 2010 00:06 (fourteen years ago) link
despite yr love for You Know What
ah, the NEW love that dare not speak its name
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 19 February 2010 00:07 (fourteen years ago) link
I think we can all agree that BAR is pretty mean though, right guys?
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 February 2010 00:11 (fourteen years ago) link
― elmo leonard (elmo argonaut), Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:48 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
^^ otm--echoes too w/ discussion of schroedingers cat, heisenberg. he talks w/ clives father, saying, did he leave the money, or didnt he, you cant have it both ways, dad says, "why not?"
― max, Friday, 19 February 2010 02:35 (fourteen years ago) link
so many scenes in this movie are punctuated with question--"who cares?" "why not?" "then what?"
― max, Friday, 19 February 2010 02:38 (fourteen years ago) link
― mo collier mo problems (s1ocki), Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:28 PM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
like i said here... the question mark is in the actual credit, if i didnt make that cler
― f1ocki (s1ocki), Friday, 19 February 2010 02:39 (fourteen years ago) link
ahem clear
who cares?
― max, Friday, 19 February 2010 02:41 (fourteen years ago) link
me iirc
― f1ocki (s1ocki), Friday, 19 February 2010 02:45 (fourteen years ago) link
so what?
― nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Friday, 19 February 2010 02:53 (fourteen years ago) link
embrace the mystery
― Luz, a saucy taco slinger (hmmmm), Friday, 19 February 2010 07:14 (fourteen years ago) link
I didn't do anything
― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 February 2010 08:12 (fourteen years ago) link
F Troop, a childhood favorite of mine, was like a dumbed down cavalry version of Sgt. Bilko. Some of the humor was pretty Borscht Belt (the Indians were the Hekawi tribe, as in "where the heck are we?"), but I think the only regular played by a former Catskills comic was Larry Storch's Corporal Agarn.
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The auction will give collectors the chance to bid on the vintage vehicle seen on-screen as the car owned and driven by lead character Larry Gopnik (Michael Stuhlbarg)...
― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 20 February 2010 02:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Watching this right now for the first time. Impressions to come, but at the moment it feels very much a film about the ways that the Jewish community fails to help individuals deal with tragedy. Not sure if I feel totally comfortable with that, but it feels true to my experiences.
― Mordy, Saturday, 20 February 2010 04:31 (fourteen years ago) link
i almost don't want to watch it again: it was so dope the first time i don't think i could like it as much again. otoh, i want to watch it again.
― sharter the unstoppable ilx machine (history mayne), Saturday, 20 February 2010 12:34 (fourteen years ago) link
^^^^^^
― barack hussein chalayan (suzy), Saturday, 20 February 2010 12:50 (fourteen years ago) link