xxp yeah yeah there are definitely a lot of things to love about all the states but im feelin south carolina as worst right now
― 69, Thursday, 18 February 2010 21:40 (fourteen years ago) link
but if ppl are voting TX or FL because of righty dirty tricks they might also want to take a look at OH and the shit it pulls every four years
― Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Thursday, 18 February 2010 21:40 (fourteen years ago) link
parts of new mexico are beautiful!
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 18 February 2010 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link
what is there to love about New Mexico
breathtaking natural beauty? may not compel you tho in which case my bad, there is also good food
― Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Thursday, 18 February 2010 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:40 PM (40 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
food, landscape, funny taos new-agers
― max, Thursday, 18 February 2010 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm voting texas cause it's texas
― iatee, Thursday, 18 February 2010 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link
can't imagine new mexico being in the top third of this poll tbh
i like all the states, really.
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 18 February 2010 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link
hey I was just asking
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 18 February 2010 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link
xp: JD truth bomb right there, my in-laws drive people to polling locations every year and have many stories about how polling stations for ppl who might vote lefty are put in inaccessible places and will get moved at the last minute without any notification
― slapped by a bear (HI DERE), Thursday, 18 February 2010 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost to iatee man take a walk through Lubbock & think of Buddy Holly in his garage listening to blues records and thinking "man I gotta play music like this somehow" and making those beautiful records
Texas is sweet whatever else it has to answer for and there are a lot of awesome creative people from there & still there doin awesome things.
― Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Thursday, 18 February 2010 21:44 (fourteen years ago) link
florida but maybe virginia
Uh, VA is awesome, used to go hiking all the time in Shenandoah when I lived there. Also, my mom's family first settled there, in what eventually became West Va., back in the 1710s.
― El Poopo Loco (Pancakes Hackman), Thursday, 18 February 2010 21:44 (fourteen years ago) link
it would be nice to have a thread where we all had to find three good things about each state
― max, Thursday, 18 February 2010 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link
and south Texas is so weird and cool too, has one of the best & raddest recording studios in the country
― Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Thursday, 18 February 2010 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link
xp to dan - You said on the original thread that you went with Florida. If you're going for LA this time I can totally understand given the circumstances. My ire is more directed towards people like the guy who said he voted LA b/c of Katrina.
― Fetchboy, Thursday, 18 February 2010 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link
I am voting LA because of Mardi Gras.
― Let's see how tough Aquaman is once we get him in the water. (Laurel), Thursday, 18 February 2010 21:46 (fourteen years ago) link
Yes, all of the negativity is boring.
― ô_o (Nicole), Thursday, 18 February 2010 21:46 (fourteen years ago) link
haha my trip to Tallahassee must have been way worse than I remembered
― slapped by a bear (HI DERE), Thursday, 18 February 2010 21:46 (fourteen years ago) link
also I am totally fine with this thread being a total US State lovefest regardless of the title/poll results
― slapped by a bear (HI DERE), Thursday, 18 February 2010 21:47 (fourteen years ago) link
This is why you can't vote TX, despite all of the despicable things about it:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnx3fWJHkUo
― Fetchboy, Thursday, 18 February 2010 21:47 (fourteen years ago) link
Shakey Mo, do you dislike NM, and if so, why?
― Dark Notion (Abbott), Thursday, 18 February 2010 21:48 (fourteen years ago) link
Was that jokez, Laurel??!
― Fetchboy, Thursday, 18 February 2010 21:48 (fourteen years ago) link
Probably 60% joeks.
― Let's see how tough Aquaman is once we get him in the water. (Laurel), Thursday, 18 February 2010 21:51 (fourteen years ago) link
Delaware isn't a state, it's the Grand Duchy of Citibank.
― Inculcate a spirit of serfdom in children (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 February 2010 21:52 (fourteen years ago) link
Rather than blame a place for a natural disaster that it didn't deserve, and after which it got totally screwed by the supposed "support systems" it was counting on, I'm blaming LA for hosting a giant drunk-fest and encouraging tourists to behave like animals regularly. Also I dislike crowds and loud noises. And fun.
― Let's see how tough Aquaman is once we get him in the water. (Laurel), Thursday, 18 February 2010 21:52 (fourteen years ago) link
noodling and whatever traces remain of woody guthrie's "spirit" are not enough to save you from my vote in this poll, oklahoma
― iiiijjjj, Thursday, 18 February 2010 21:53 (fourteen years ago) link
hmm, connecticut maybe
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 18 February 2010 21:53 (fourteen years ago) link
nah I just don't know much about it apart from a trip to Santa Fe as a child
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 18 February 2010 21:53 (fourteen years ago) link
New Mexico – is that the one with all the sand?
― Inculcate a spirit of serfdom in children (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 February 2010 21:54 (fourteen years ago) link
gut feeling is florida
― sonderborg, Thursday, 18 February 2010 21:55 (fourteen years ago) link
i kinda impulsively voted for RI even though i can find plenty of nice things to say about providence at the least
delaware's probably worse tiny-state-wise but i haven't spent any time there, only driven though it.
― ciderpress, Thursday, 18 February 2010 21:56 (fourteen years ago) link
im feelin south carolina as worst right now
Charleston is fantastic – some of the best restaurants and best-looking people in the country. I dunno about the rest of the state.
― Inculcate a spirit of serfdom in children (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 February 2010 21:56 (fourteen years ago) link
My first instinct is to say my home state of NC. However, my view of it is skewed from having lived there for so long and under such dire circumstances. And they have good BBQ, so that's a plus.
Delaware has tax free shopping and nice beaches.
I would have to go with Oklahoma.
― Jeff, Thursday, 18 February 2010 22:00 (fourteen years ago) link
Wow, kind of funny that the deadly combination of a big yearly celebration of life and one street's worth of girls-gone-wild-frat-fest located in a neighborhood with one of the richest musical traditions in world history is the worst thing that America has to offer.
― Fetchboy, Thursday, 18 February 2010 22:01 (fourteen years ago) link
makes you think
― slapped by a bear (HI DERE), Thursday, 18 February 2010 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWmVTbWHgFc
― Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Thursday, 18 February 2010 22:03 (fourteen years ago) link
I might have to pick Wisconsin/Iowa because of lol state rivalries
― slapped by a bear (HI DERE), Thursday, 18 February 2010 22:05 (fourteen years ago) link
Don't worry, I'm blaming LA for other things, too. Like okra.
― Let's see how tough Aquaman is once we get him in the water. (Laurel), Thursday, 18 February 2010 22:06 (fourteen years ago) link
it's why I voted for both Minnesota & Missouri lol
― Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Thursday, 18 February 2010 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm blaming LA for other things, too. Like okra.
Okra is from Africa, I thought.
― Qui vous promet des lendemains qui chantent? (Michael White), Thursday, 18 February 2010 22:11 (fourteen years ago) link
Much like everything else that people like about Louisiana!
― Let's see how tough Aquaman is once we get him in the water. (Laurel), Thursday, 18 February 2010 22:12 (fourteen years ago) link
Okay, jazz. I don't know about anything else really. Voodoo?
― Let's see how tough Aquaman is once we get him in the water. (Laurel), Thursday, 18 February 2010 22:14 (fourteen years ago) link
Indiana really doesn't have much going for it (sorry people from Indiana.)
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 February 2010 22:15 (fourteen years ago) link
Also thinking that Idaho is pretty bare, but I could be convinced otherwise I guess.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 February 2010 22:17 (fourteen years ago) link
Really the I states in general (outside of Illinous) are no great shakes.
idaho does not have one single mellencamp, only a handful of cougars and a decent selection of johns
― iiiijjjj, Thursday, 18 February 2010 22:18 (fourteen years ago) link
OTM - that's why this sorry person from Indiana voted for it. (nb - I don't live there now and visit as infrequently as possible.)
― Jaq, Thursday, 18 February 2010 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, it's not like Ledbelly, gumbo, ca$h money, boudin, Britney Spears, Tabasco, Lil' Wayne, the Meters, or boiled crawfish are really anything worth mentioning, since giving the world jazz isn't enough to redeem anything.
― Fetchboy, Thursday, 18 February 2010 22:22 (fourteen years ago) link
My knee-jerk reaction to this is usually Florida; my family's from Orlando and growing up it just seemed like the worst place, terrible weather, nasty bugs, strip malls, no culture. But embarrassingly reading "The Orchid Thief" helped me appreciate Florida's unique aspects a lot more, and last time I was in Orlando it didn't seem as bad I remembered. So yeah, probably like Indiana I guess.
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 18 February 2010 22:22 (fourteen years ago) link
Voted Oklahoma.
(PS, I'm not ever going to spend a lot of energy defending Mississippi, but people who slam it based on stereotypes and not on personal experience are the worst kind of disgusting savages imho.) (PPS, Fetchboy I don't mean you.)
― blow it out your bad-taste hole (WmC), Thursday, 18 February 2010 22:23 (fourteen years ago) link
hosting a giant drunk-fest and encouraging tourists to behave like animals regularly. Also I dislike crowds and loud noises. And fun.
― Let's see how tough Aquaman is once we get him in the water. (Laurel), Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:52 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Good thing you live in NYC, an area devoid of drunken parades/celebrations, tourists, crowds and loud noises.
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 18 February 2010 22:23 (fourteen years ago) link
Josefa why do you think Gainesville is better than Athens?
Better local music scene ime, and a less pretentious one, although none of the bands I liked from Gainesville ever made it big. Admittedly my frame of reference may be way out of date. I just thought what was happening in Gainesville in my day was more creative, and what was happening in Athens was too constricted by the idea of being "Southern."
― Josefa, Monday, 22 March 2021 00:12 (three years ago) link
Gainesville has quite a few good concert spots/bars. I like The Atlantic.
― "Salvation Army FUCK!" (Neanderthal), Monday, 22 March 2021 00:14 (three years ago) link
Also Gainesville is not near any big city, so it has to be it's own oasis in the cultural void, whereas Athens can kind of fall back on the fact that it's near Atlanta.
― Josefa, Monday, 22 March 2021 00:17 (three years ago) link
sorry for the extra apostrophe
― Josefa, Monday, 22 March 2021 00:21 (three years ago) link
mostly remember Athens as a hub for Elephant 6 in the late 90s
― Dan S, Monday, 22 March 2021 00:23 (three years ago) link
what was happening in Athens was too constricted by the idea of being "Southern."
Seems spot on. I can't name any bands from Gainesville tbh. When I was coming up Chapel Hill was the main scene hub, maybe that's a bit played out in a similar way to Athens. But when we became more interested in raves and clubs, Greensboro had some of the best action. I was living in NC by then, and would go to ATL for events once in a while.
Never been to Athens or Gainesville actually, but I like the region around Athens because that landscape suits me -- it's not really that different from Chapel Hill, a little more hilly maybe?
in the late 90s
Mmmhmm, that's when I'm referring to as well. There was a crew from Atlanta called Earthtone Soundsystem that our little rave scene in Asheville was affiliated with.
― locked in a death spiral of vindictive gatekeeping (viborg), Monday, 22 March 2021 00:30 (three years ago) link
Full disclosure we were also big fans of Dubtribe Soundsystem back then.
― locked in a death spiral of vindictive gatekeeping (viborg), Monday, 22 March 2021 00:31 (three years ago) link
If the poll were done today I think my native state of Missouri would rise in the rankings. Probably third.
― succor MC (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 22 March 2021 00:34 (three years ago) link
Do It Then
― armoured van, Holden (sic), Monday, 22 March 2021 01:38 (three years ago) link
Oregon may have overly rosy public relations, but it is far from the worst state on any measure, including racism.
― Judge Roi Behan (Aimless), Monday, 22 March 2021 02:16 (three years ago) link
Ha thank you! I wanted to pull some meta zing out of that but I just didn't have it in me.
(For what it's worth, Earthtone Soundsystem was nowhere near as trendy/cultish as Dubtribe. All of them that I met were genuinely cool people, much like Cloudfactory in the SF Bay Area for example.)
― locked in a death spiral of vindictive gatekeeping (viborg), Monday, 22 March 2021 10:57 (three years ago) link
Regarding Oregon, it's not just the historic white supremacy. As was briefly mentioned upthread the demographics continue to be quite monochrome compared to most of the South etc. According to the US Census, Oregon is 87% white, 2% Black; Mississippi is 59% white and 38% Black. (It is best to only capitalize "Black", not "white"; or to capitalize both? Genuine style question, no troll.)
So yes on average OR is light years more progressive than MS. But I would guess that even in Oregon on average there is more support for Republicans among whites than among Blacks in Mississippi. Maybe I'm wrong.
― locked in a death spiral of vindictive gatekeeping (viborg), Monday, 22 March 2021 11:10 (three years ago) link
why is delaware so high up on this? the tax haven thing? it seems innocuous.
― treeship., Monday, 22 March 2021 11:12 (three years ago) link
in oregon (along w/ louisiana) you could be convicted of a crime if 10 people on a jury said guilty and 2 said not guilty until the u.s. supreme court outlawed it last year
― superdeep borehole (harbl), Monday, 22 March 2021 12:26 (three years ago) link
Oregon is 87% white, 2% Black
There's a reason why the Proud Boys et al. are always marching in Portland and not, like, here.
Kentucky is a tough one. They do have two asshole senators, but they have a democratic governor, and there is tons of cool shit in the state, from the bourbon trail to the Muhammed Ali Center to Mammoth Cave to lots of good music. Plus, the state is really pretty. Also, centrally located, and not too big.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 22 March 2021 12:52 (three years ago) link
tipsy to thread!
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 March 2021 13:10 (three years ago) link
(It is best to only capitalize "Black", not "white"; or to capitalize both? Genuine style question, no troll.)
I'm curious what the thinking is on this as well. lowercase white vs uppercase Black might on some level support the implication that whiteness is "default"
― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Monday, 22 March 2021 13:19 (three years ago) link
unsurprisingly it seems like a no win situation the more you think about it
― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Monday, 22 March 2021 13:20 (three years ago) link
Here you go:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/05/insider/capitalized-black.html
― pomenitul, Monday, 22 March 2021 13:22 (three years ago) link
I noticed just the other day that the New Yorker capitalizes "Black," which maybe they've done for years? No idea what they do with "white."
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 22 March 2021 13:23 (three years ago) link
about what I figured. not really a satisfying answer but that's the nature of style (and change in progress). xp
― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Monday, 22 March 2021 13:26 (three years ago) link
the New Yorker capitalizes "Black," which maybe they've done for years?
I believe "everyone" (meaning "the media") started capitalizing Black more or less in the last 12 months. I know that's when I started doing it in my own writing, for Stereogum (and in my upcoming book).
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 22 March 2021 13:28 (three years ago) link
I miss Atlanta so much :(
― eisimpleir (crüt), Monday, 22 March 2021 13:38 (three years ago) link
xpost
Here's the revised AP style guide on "Black" etc (it's dated from July 2020 but I saw a Guardian article from June, referencing the AP decision to capitalize Black):
https://apnews.com/article/9105661462
― locked in a death spiral of vindictive gatekeeping (viborg), Monday, 22 March 2021 16:00 (three years ago) link
Atl is a legit great city. And if you don’t have to be in the car much its ranking goes way up imo. The urban canopy really is remarkable.
― Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Monday, 22 March 2021 20:40 (three years ago) link
For sure, the predominant car culture is main issue there. But within the city limits at least it looks like they're doing their best to move away from that.
(I was without a car for a few days there taking care of some business, and I have to say it's quite cool how there are little public shuttle buses that go all over the place and which seem to have sliding scale payment. Of course MUNI in SF is also sliding scale if you know how to avoid the driver's eyes as you slip in the back door. I would never!)
― recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Monday, 22 March 2021 21:25 (three years ago) link
*main issue I have
― recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Monday, 22 March 2021 21:27 (three years ago) link
*the
― recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Monday, 22 March 2021 21:28 (three years ago) link
Gonna go against the grain here and say I found Atlanta to be pretty depressing and grey
― Nhex, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 01:47 (three years ago) link
Apparently it's Alabama, but even that is better than DC:
https://today.yougov.com/topics/travel/articles-reports/2021/04/13/us-states-ranked-best-worst-according-americans
― Alba, Thursday, 15 April 2021 13:53 (three years ago) link
if you look at the Bloomberg Vaccine Tracker, Alabama is the only state with a mega light-green shade.
why am i not shocked.
― P-Zunit (Neanderthal), Thursday, 15 April 2021 14:49 (three years ago) link
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0331/3061/products/Mutual-Feelings_60x36_Flag_Photo_1200x1200.jpg
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 15 April 2021 15:19 (three years ago) link
Jersey tied with Iowa and Arkansas.
Been trying to think up what trouble those three states could get into together, with no luck.
― pplains, Thursday, 15 April 2021 16:53 (three years ago) link
I reckon TX has this now
― Josefa, Wednesday, 1 September 2021 12:55 (two years ago) link
otm
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 12:55 (two years ago) link
Certainly top contender for worst state that has the most awesome things in it ruined by the shittiness.
― i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 13:08 (two years ago) link
Nov, 2022 is when we're hopefully going to get rid of Abbott. If Texas doesn't do something about the bastard I'm going to have to move. Fuck this shit.
― Cow_Art, Wednesday, 1 September 2021 13:16 (two years ago) link
If you lose Abbott, you're only going to get somebody worse because he was primaried.
― pplains, Wednesday, 1 September 2021 18:57 (two years ago) link