Less that I'm not feeling it than not giving a shit.
― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Friday, 19 February 2010 19:12 (fourteen years ago) link
there is no salvation outside of scientology
― i know who the sockpuppet master of ilx is (velko), Friday, 19 February 2010 19:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh look! A flying pig!
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 19 February 2010 19:31 (fourteen years ago) link
'Cause it will make Britt Hume squirm?
^^pretty much this
― king willie style (will), Friday, 19 February 2010 19:54 (fourteen years ago) link
but yeah, otherwise keep all this shit to yourself. you're still richer than balls, with or without Accenture. and you still slay on the golf course. you're just not really cut out for marriage imho.
― king willie style (will), Friday, 19 February 2010 19:56 (fourteen years ago) link
cuz we are conditioned to believe Buddhism is a less full of shit religion than Christianity, even though it's not― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Friday, February 19, 2010 1:09 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
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^^this. i <3 buddhism but one of the best books on it i've read thus far (Zen At War) basically puts the lie to the idea that it is somehow less full of shit than any other spiritual practice
― nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Friday, 19 February 2010 20:14 (fourteen years ago) link
i dunno... the japanese context/syncretism with warrior nobility is pretty unique and not really enough to make the case imo. still may or may not be true, but Buddhism does seem fundamentally less well-suited to command/control/holy war.
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 19 February 2010 20:55 (fourteen years ago) link
lol between this and the other thread not to be named i'm convinced a bunch of dumb jocks took over all of your bodies...people other than retarded sportwriters bought this BS?
― vag gangsta (k3vin k.), Saturday, 20 February 2010 06:09 (fourteen years ago) link
this was one of the worst press conferences i've ever seen
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 20 February 2010 06:09 (fourteen years ago) link
it's like he's NEVER spoke in public before
i kinda buy the "he's not a great public speaker" argument but this was so painful to watch, idk if it was "insincere" as much as it was just so clueless..."self aware" nowhere near the money
ha xp
― vag gangsta (k3vin k.), Saturday, 20 February 2010 06:11 (fourteen years ago) link
in tiger's defense, he was scoping out some chicks in the room at the time.
― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 20 February 2010 06:12 (fourteen years ago) link
i was just astounded by how tone deaf & stoic this was, i really thought he had something better in him
simmons comparing him to r2d2 or something was otm
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 20 February 2010 06:12 (fourteen years ago) link
i mean even as a proud DUMB JOCK wtf guys
― vag gangsta (k3vin k.), Saturday, 20 February 2010 06:13 (fourteen years ago) link
vvvv excited to read reilly's take on this
i didn't see it except for snippets, but a friend of mine said it was like a hostage video.
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 20 February 2010 06:14 (fourteen years ago) link
hahahaha otm -- in a way he kind of has been taken hostage
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 20 February 2010 06:14 (fourteen years ago) link
i really think mcgwire had the best game plan for this kind of thing -- put out a prelim press release where you lay out the facts so you don't have people reading into your emotion and stuff like that & then do a one on one w/ a journalist you trust, who will push you a bit but won't impale you
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 20 February 2010 06:16 (fourteen years ago) link
seriously! i mean if he just sent out an open letter of the transcript to this it would have been 100x better...still would be completely devoid of humanity but it would be way harder to tell at the very least
― vag gangsta (k3vin k.), Saturday, 20 February 2010 06:17 (fourteen years ago) link
Dave Zirin on Tiger's corporate villainy (the kind that matters):
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-zirin/tiger-woods-deserves-your_b_374029.html
― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 20 February 2010 17:04 (fourteen years ago) link
seriously! i mean if he just sent out an open letter of the transcript to this it would have been 100x better
if he just apologized privately to his wife and anyone else he personally knows who's been hurt by his actions, that would be 100X better. tiger woods doesn't owe "the public" an apology. he's said as much (in a nicer way) when this story began to surface, and i imagine that's why he sounded so stilted and awkward at this ridiculous press conference.
― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 20 February 2010 17:04 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah i agree with that 100% but that would never happen
― vag gangsta (k3vin k.), Saturday, 20 February 2010 17:14 (fourteen years ago) link
TW was apologizing to consumers of his brand.
― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 20 February 2010 17:16 (fourteen years ago) link
zirin more recently:http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion/531946/tiger_woods_rehabbing_his_brand
― vag gangsta (k3vin k.), Saturday, 20 February 2010 17:20 (fourteen years ago) link
zirin is great btw
"I haven't seen anything this painfully scripted since the Phantom Menace."
― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 20 February 2010 17:33 (fourteen years ago) link
the Jack Johnson connection is tot on point.
― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 20 February 2010 17:34 (fourteen years ago) link
Dead on. Yesterday was a charade, but the more I think about it, it was less Tiger's charade than the PGA's. The orchestration that's unfolding is a gradual "We accept your apology, welcome back" on behalf of the PGA. Notice how quickly the comissioner was trotted out for sympathetic comment. With baseball, it's impossible for one player to be larger than the game, so Bonds and Clemens and the rest are basically left by the league to tend to their own damage control--they're cut loose as quickly as possible. The PGA can't do that; it's dying right now. I honestly believe that, either actively or tacitly, yesterday was the PGA's dog-and-pony show.
― clemenza, Saturday, 20 February 2010 18:40 (fourteen years ago) link
But both sides don't get the central dynamic of today's Seinfeld-like press conference (it was about nothing). This is about brand rehabilitation for the first billion dollar athlete.
really??? both sides don't get that? what the fuck is this guy talking about?
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 20 February 2010 18:43 (fourteen years ago) link
btw i really dont think this story has been racialized to the extent he claims either.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 20 February 2010 18:44 (fourteen years ago) link
tbf cad his point wasn't that the story had been "racialized", just that the public takes more of an interest in black male sexuality. i don't always agree with everything he says but he's a great sportswriter - it's a field that could use more commies tbh
― vag gangsta (k3vin k.), Saturday, 20 February 2010 18:52 (fourteen years ago) link
On the surface I don't find Woods particularly more "tainted" than Michael "Republicans Buy Sneakers Too" Jordan.
― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 20 February 2010 18:56 (fourteen years ago) link
i would think the public takes in interest in the sexuality of the most famous athlete in the world no matter what race they are.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 20 February 2010 19:00 (fourteen years ago) link
i mean to suggest that this is a bigger deal because he is black is o_O imo and i'm just not seeing the evidence for it
yeah if he can limit these embarrassing pr things i think he'll be on much the same track - two years from now when he's winning 2 majors a year again no one will remember this
xp cad it was a pretty tossed-off point i'm not getting hung up on it
― vag gangsta (k3vin k.), Saturday, 20 February 2010 19:01 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah i gotcha, i've read some of this guy's other stuff and i like it but some odd points in this one.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 20 February 2010 19:12 (fourteen years ago) link
i'm sure there's some psychology he's alluding to that's very possibly legitimate, it's hard to make that connection w/ an individual case like this tho. would have helped if he named a couple other instances & what they had in common
― vag gangsta (k3vin k.), Saturday, 20 February 2010 19:22 (fourteen years ago) link
but Tiger was the non-scary/surly nonwhite athlete it was OK for Tea Baggers to like! (cf Bonds, Kobe) And whaddya know, he turns out to have a mammoth libido!
― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 21 February 2010 02:00 (fourteen years ago) link
i honestly don't buy the idea that he doesn't owe the public an apology -- the man made hundreds of million dollars off endorsements that he secured -- and "we" paid for -- because he presented himself as a moral stalwart, a consummate role model who was an anecdote to the allen iversons & alex rodriguezes of sports -- and for it to be revealed that he cheated on his wife with likely hundreds of women is a pretty big deal imo, so i do think he owes us something
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 21 February 2010 02:30 (fourteen years ago) link
he's an anecdote, alright!
― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 21 February 2010 02:31 (fourteen years ago) link
& i think his situation is special not only because he's tiger but because how egregious & insane & uncaring it was -- no one really remembers or cares that kobe was accused of rape & had to admit to being an adulterer, because it's something that happened once and me manned up & faced the music about it -- for tiger to be all LEAVE ME ALONE is fucking bullshit cuz a. he's trying to have his cake and eat it too b. if he would've just addressed shit way earlier, the thing would've blown over already
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 21 February 2010 02:32 (fourteen years ago) link
afaik, woods never said "i'm faithful to my wife, unlike your other sports heros, so follow me, not them." his clean image, it seems to me, is more a function of the way golf portrays itself (i can't recall many other golfers in scandelous situations).
as far as bryant, i'm not sure what you mean. he couldn't avoid the issue because he was being prosecuted for rape. he denied it, fought it and moved on. i don't see that as equivalent to voluntarily "manning-up and facing the music."
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 February 2010 02:40 (fourteen years ago) link
btw, even if woods did try to have his cake and eat it too, i'd still say he doesn't owe the public an apology. cheating on your spouse can be an incredibly painful, embarrasing situation for the victim. i don't think it's very fair to woods' wife to insist that he make public apologies for such private failings, because such a forced apology might deepen the pain for, and/or have a damaging impact on, woods' wife and family -- the only people who have a real stake in this situation.
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 February 2010 02:44 (fourteen years ago) link
my having spent $10.00 dollars on a woods-endorsed product gives me an infinitesimally tiny stake in the genuineness of woods' clean-living image.
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 February 2010 02:46 (fourteen years ago) link
kobe had a press conference where he answered actual questions and showed emotion & stuff -- and of course tiger didn't explicitly say "i'm faithful to my wife, unlike your other sports heros, so follow me, not them," but this is how he portrayed himself & the public had feelings & money invested in him because of the way he allowed himself to be characterized & marketed by people at IMG or by himself or whatever. he was different, he wanted to be different, he always thought he was different and he made a ton of money off of that. when you allow the public to think of you that way, you better be able to hold up your end of the bargain, because you are not some innocent bystander who is along for the ride.
& anyway, his income comes from the public, whether directly or not. people paid to see him golf, they paid to buy the things that he endorsed. the public made him a billionaire, plain and simple. and when it is revealed that he did what he did, i think the least he can do is answer some fucking questions and not barricade himself behind a prepared statement.
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 21 February 2010 02:47 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't think it's very fair to woods' wife to insist that he make public apologies for such private failings, because such a forced apology might deepen the pain for, and/or have a damaging impact on, woods' wife and family -- the only people who have a real stake in this situation.
― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, February 20, 2010 8:44 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
uh i'm sorry but if you marry tiger fucking woods when he is one of the most famous humans on the planet, this is what comes with the territory. your life is no longer private. this is what you chose by marrying the man. i have little sympathy for this.
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 21 February 2010 02:48 (fourteen years ago) link
if he didn't want intrusion in his life by the public he should've been like barry sanders or some shit and taken the earnings from his sport & kept a low profile & not cheated on his wife with prostitutes and porn stars
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 21 February 2010 02:50 (fourteen years ago) link
i sorta do and don't agree with you. yes, he made a huge amount of money out of his status as a modern version of the all-american icon, but this status was not really one he created for himself, rather imposed upon him. apart from by being good looking, non-white and exceptionally good at golf, all he did was accept this imposition for the cash rewards it brought. Tiger Woods as flawless icon was always a fantasy that you/we bought into; to anyone who is that much of a sucker, maybe he does owe you an apology for shattering the myth in such a spectacular way but maybe it should just be a lesson to stop believing the bullshit that these pr companies sell you.
that in itself may be bullshit. i'm quite drunk.
― what kind of present your naked body (Upt0eleven), Sunday, 21 February 2010 02:50 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't think i have any vested interest whatsoever in anyone simply because i'm persuaded to buy a product because they endorse it. i think that expectation is unreasonable. and it can have damaging consequences for the real stakeholders. say woods' wife told him that she's incredibly angry but still sorting out her feelings, and for the sake of her and their children, she asked woods to not make public statements about the situation. you think that woods should go make a public apology anyway because he's made money endorsing products based on his "clean" image?
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 February 2010 02:51 (fourteen years ago) link
also maybe she married him because she loved him, and would have done so if he wasn't a superstar. you think she forfeits all the normal privacies of married life because she had the misfortune to fall in love with a famous athelete?
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 21 February 2010 02:52 (fourteen years ago) link