Tiger Woods car/life crash

i guess i just don't see how telling the truth is something that is so painful & intrusive & horrible for tiger

if he had let the police interview him & then come out a week before the crash and said "the police account of what happened at my house on thanksgiving night is true. elin and i are not perfect, and i am not perfect. i apologize to her and those around the world that i have let down. elin and i will work in private to restore our marriage, and we ask that you respect our privacy moving forward. i will now take questions" and answered questions, the whole thing would've been over with long ago, and i don't think his wife or kids would've been traumatized by the experience of him admitting to known facts in public, i just don't.

a week after the crash obv

& showing contempt for the press & public is some bullshit -- it's only his fault that he's in this situation and the handled it as poorly as he did

no one is asking for like a documentary of his sex addiction therapy -- telling the truth to the public isn't some horrible, traumatic thing to have to do

i honestly don't buy the idea that he doesn't owe the public an apology -- the man made hundreds of million dollars off endorsements that he secured -- and "we" paid for -- because he presented himself as a moral stalwart, a consummate role model who was an anecdote to the allen iversons & alex rodriguezes of sports -- and for it to be revealed that he cheated on his wife with likely hundreds of women is a pretty big deal imo, so i do think he owes us something

― J0rdan S., Saturday, February 20, 2010 8:30 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

such bullshit

telling the truth to the public isn't some horrible, traumatic thing to have to do

no? it isn't? plz elaborate

if he had let the police interview him & then come out a week after the crash and said "the police account of what happened at my house on thanksgiving night is true. elin and i are not perfect, and i am not perfect. i apologize to her and those around the world that i have let down. elin and i will work in private to restore our marriage, and we ask that you respect our privacy moving forward. i will now take questions" and answered questions, the whole thing would've been over with long ago, and i don't think his wife or kids would've been traumatized by the experience of him admitting to known facts in public, i just don't.

yall are acting like telling some semblance of the truth is climbing mount everest

yeah, still don't think he should come out and "have to" do anything just because ppl buy fucking golf clubs and think he's a real swell dude. i mean, i understand that his sponsors or the PGA might want him to do that to save face or w/e, but it's not all a thing that a normal person should have to do.

yeah I don't buy this 'tiger owes us an apology because his face appears on a soda bottle' argument

i think a simple apology is a very little thing to expect from someone of his stature

jordan wtf is "we ask that you respect our privacy moving forward. i will now take questions"? that's kinda contradictory?

the point is that tiger is his own person, he doesn't have to tell all 8 billion people in the world everything about his life because...it's probably embarassing to him?

& showing contempt for the press & public is some bullshit -- it's only his fault that he's in this situation and the handled it as poorly as he did

― J0rdan S., Saturday, February 20, 2010 11:55 PM (Yesterday)

my point again would be lol @ these people who built him up so high and now are devastated that he is a human being.

the point is that tiger is his own person, he doesn't have to tell all 8 billion people in the world everything about his life because...it's probably embarassing to him?

― idgi, mon (k3vin k.), Saturday, February 20, 2010 11:09 PM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark

it's one thing to not tell 8 billion people in the world everything about your life, it's another to, as the saying goes, piss on our faces and tell us it's rain

jordan wtf is "we ask that you respect our privacy moving forward. i will now take questions"? that's kinda contradictory?

clearly i mean moving forward from this hypothetical press conference that happened a week after his accident

i think a simple apology is a very little thing to expect from someone of his stature

― J0rdan S., Sunday, February 21, 2010 12:08 AM (1 minute ago)

he didn't cheat on us! he didn't break any laws! he didn't even cheat in golf! he doesn't owe me an apology

my point again would be lol @ these people who built him up so high and now are devastated that he is a human being.

― idgi, mon (k3vin k.), Saturday, February 20, 2010 11:09 PM (22 seconds ago) Bookmark

yes lol @ people who admire sports figures, what retarded, gullible people

the only persons who should have any leverage on what tiger does are his wife and family. if he should decide to use his massive fortune to build a rocketship to the moon and go and live the rest of his life there, it's his choice imo.

jordan i'm saying "we ask that you respect out privacy...now you may ask questions that invade my privacy" would be a pertty contradictory thing to say

you bought something with a tiger head on it, you got scammed. make more money and move on.

i mean what do you think the "questions" would be like? who he had in the super bowl pool? how his swing was? how he's feeling? no, they would all be about his affair and i'd imagine all of his answers would be something to the effect of "ehh, that's kinda private i'd rather not discuss it"

yes lol @ people who admire sports figures, what retarded, gullible people

― J0rdan S., Saturday, February 20, 2010 11:12 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yes, LOL

srsly if you are holding sports figures to some standard that actually affects YOUR LIFE AND FEELINGS then you are a child

cf politicians, movie stars, etc.

you know what, the whole taking questions part of the thing is ancillary, because i agree that nothing would have come of it -- i just think it's some coward ass shit to do what he's doing

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afaic tiger woods is a dude who plays golf. if he cheats on his wife, then that sucks, and is his (~their~) problem. i don't need an apology from him.

srsly if you are holding sports figures to some standard that actually affects YOUR LIFE AND FEELINGS then you are a child

i'm not saying i do, but to pretend that there are people who don't and that tiger woods wasn't complicit in it happening to him is equally as naive

i don't need an apology from him.

― nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Saturday, February 20, 2010 11:17 PM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark

because uttering the words "i'm sorry" is such a terrible thing to have to do -- poor billionaire tiger

that may be true but saying that ergo therefore tiger woods has a responsibility to them is where I can't get on the train with you xp

can we at least agree that empirically he played the fuck out of himself and should fire his whole management team?

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i'm not pretending that there are people that don't. i'm saying that they have severely misplaced priorities, and, moreover, that their priorities shouldn't have any bearing on whether or not the dude has to apologize to THEM and not his wife and family.

like i get that he is a public figure and ought to expect that this garbage is something he should have to deal with, i just don't think it's something he SHOULD have to deal with.

many xps

btw jordan do u want my dad to give u an apology?

btw, i would also like to note that i think it's one thing to have "human flaws"... it's a whole different thing to be someone who cheats on his wife with 20 or 30 or however many women -- it's kind of an extreme example of "humanity"

again i'm saying that as someone who played HS golf & plays still, buys/bought a lot of tiger-endorsed merchandise, and rooted for him for the last 14 years or whatever i don't feel like my golf or connsumer experience is now somehow tainted - what is he apologizing for exactly? not being a good role model? cheating on his wife? if he owes me an apology, it's because he's gonna deny me the pleasure of watching him on TV while he goes to celebrity sex rehab. i don't need him to apologize to me because he fucked up in his personal life, that's his family's business. i'll still enjoy watching him play when he comes back.

xp anyway gbx otm

I'm not even sure what you're arguing any more - what does being an "extreme example of 'humanity'" mean?

philanderer's be philanderin', imo. what does it matter if it's 1 or 30 women?

btw, i would also like to note that i think it's one thing to have "human flaws"... it's a whole different thing to be someone who cheats on his wife with 20 or 30 or however many women -- it's kind of an extreme example of "humanity"

― J0rdan S., Saturday, February 20, 2010 11:22 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

so what

would it please you to have every violent criminal in america go on television and apologize to all their fans for the raping or w/e? we're not talking about pathology at this point, we're talking about fame, and apparently you think that famous people are somehow more accountable for their sins than normal boring a-holes. i disagree.

or

philanderer's be philanderin', imo. what does it matter if it's 1 or 30 women?

― __ ― (dyao), Saturday, February 20, 2010 11:27 PM (37 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah so far tiger has shown that he's really good at doing one thing - playing golf - why should that therefore elevate him to be a superior being in other respects?

btw, i would also like to note that i think it's one thing to have "human flaws"... it's a whole different thing to be someone who cheats on his wife with 20 or 30 or however many women -- it's kind of an extreme example of "humanity"

― J0rdan S., Sunday, February 21, 2010 12:22 AM (22 seconds ago)

dude he still hasn't hurt anyone besides his wife. if it turned out he like, killed 30 people, he could apologize for being a danger to society or something. all he did was have sex with people - people do that.

ha xp!

are you gonna get on wilt chamberlain's case for sleeping with 20,000 women?

i wasn't really arguing anything with that statement -- just noting that his case is an extreme example because most people don't fuck up their family lives to the extent that he has -- again i would point to the example of kobe bryant cheating on his wife with one woman versus tiger cheating on his wife with however many -- it doesn't make a difference to me, just in terms of historical context

what point are you trying to make, exactly, with this kobe and tiger comparison

are you gonna get on wilt chamberlain's case for sleeping with 20,000 women?

― __ ― (dyao), Saturday, February 20, 2010 11:31 PM (22 seconds ago) Bookmark

ha i was wondering if someone was going to bring this up -- i obv don't have a problem with people who are non-monogamous -- there is a reason that wilt chamberlain is pretty much publicly celebrated for this, and it's because he never pretended that he wasn't sleeping with 20,000 women

what point are you trying to make, exactly, with this kobe and tiger comparison

― __ ― (dyao), Saturday, February 20, 2010 11:32 PM (7 seconds ago) Bookmark

that if tiger had only cheated on his wife with one woman that it wouldn't be as big of a deal publicly

I mean, okay, but it still doesn't prove your claim that tiger has a responsibility to apologize to the public

altho if a friend of mine was cheating on his girlfriend with 20-30 different women, i think i would stop being friends with this person, personally

i thought you were trying to make the point that he owes the world an apology, my b

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anyway jordan when you apologize for something it's because you either did something you weren't supposed to do, or you didn't do something you were. tiger's "responsibility" (this still is a stretch but run with this) to the public is to be a good and entertaining golfer. his responsibility to us was not to not cheat on his wife.

his responsibility to his wife was to be faithful to her and provide for her until they die, that's what the marriage papers say (are there even marriage papers and is that what they say? i'm like 12 fwiw). he reneged on that contract and therefore he should be sorry to his wife.

also not sure if I buy your kobe/tiger comparison cause in kobe's case, it was an accusation of RAPE - i.e. crime according to law - so kobe had more of an onus to clear his name. tiger hasn't done anything wrong, legally, except breaking his marriage vows

i thought you were trying to make the point that he owes the world an apology, my b

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― nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Saturday, February 20, 2010 11:34 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

yeah i think coming out and uttering the words "i'm sorry" is something that someone of his stature should do -- it's pretty painless