― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Monday, 7 November 2005 15:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 7 November 2005 16:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 7 November 2005 16:09 (eighteen years ago) link
Amistad was garbage. Fuck movies where Matthew McCannaughy plays the conquering white hero.
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 7 November 2005 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 November 2005 17:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 7 November 2005 17:41 (eighteen years ago) link
Dream on.
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 7 November 2005 17:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Monday, 7 November 2005 18:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 November 2005 18:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 7 November 2005 18:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― M. V. (M.V.), Monday, 7 November 2005 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link
I was really affected by the movie, particularly the retelling of the voyage over to America, but Matthew McNakedbongo was rather blatantly the hero; saying otherwise is madness.
― Dan (Let's Not Even Talk About Morgan Freeman) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 7 November 2005 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 7 November 2005 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link
I cannot sing "Anything Goes" in Mandarin.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 November 2005 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 7 November 2005 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Monday, 7 November 2005 21:17 (eighteen years ago) link
milo, I haven't seen In America yet, do you recommend?
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 7 November 2005 21:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Monday, 7 November 2005 21:34 (eighteen years ago) link
Hounsou, by turns, is scary/saintly black man in In America. Fortunately, even sanctifying "E.T." in that film wouldn't earn Jim Sheridan the ravenous hatred Spielberg inspires.
McConaughey gave a creditable perf in Amistad, and no big-budget studio film was going to have most of its dialogue in African dialect.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 November 2005 21:52 (eighteen years ago) link
Does it ever occur to you when multiple people are all disagreeing with you on the same exact point, it's not because they're morons or idiots or uncultured or enjoy only popcorn cinema (WHICH IS REALLY REALLY AN ODD INSULT COMING FROM A SPIELBERG FAN) or that they are Spike Lee (??? is there some massive feud between Lee and Spielberg that makes this comment anything less than nonsense, btw?), but it's because, like, what you're saying doesn't make very good sense?
It is very clear that Djimon Honsou is not the hero of Amistad, he really isn't the protagonist, unless by hero you "heroic figure of some type who triumphed over severe adversity," ie like the way someone might say something like "Firemen are all heroes," in which case, yes, he was a hero in Amistad. But if that is the usage you are using, maybe you should consider the fact that the rest of us are using the traditional hero-as-protagonist/main-character sort of way. The way most people do, when they discuss films.
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 7 November 2005 21:58 (eighteen years ago) link
The ravenous hatred of Spielberg is your usual hyperbolic strawman. Nobody hates Spielberg, we just wish he made better movies. Indiana Jones IV? I'm there. The Terminal 2? Fuck you.
― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Monday, 7 November 2005 22:05 (eighteen years ago) link
am slightly mystified by this comment. do you mean the platoon in 'SPR' was too white? cos that's kind of how it went down, segregation-wise.
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 10:16 (eighteen years ago) link
>will this be another SPR? The appearance of being a hard-hitting, morally-complicated adult movie that turns into a jingoistic afternoon serial? <
SPR ain't perfect -- I'd heave this Williams score, among others -- but how the fuck is it jingoistic, when it raises morality-on-the-battlefield questions in the middle of The Good War? Cuz it opens and closes with shots of the Stars and Stripes, looking rather washed out with the sun behind it?
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 14:16 (eighteen years ago) link
How does the latter contradict the former (at ALL)? I'd heave the entirity of SPR. Bad music, poor editing, poorer acting, hamfisted plot, tons of NATIONALIST RAH RAH stuff (and a handy-dandy LOOK DAS GERMANS ARE EVIL scenes to boot.) There are Spielberg films I can tolerate, but his "serious" films are without fail predominantly garbage. They aren't even fun.
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link
as for 'i need more moral ambiguity with my nazis' -- why?
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 16:48 (eighteen years ago) link
(wait, Alex doesn't like John Ford either, right?)
Ed Burns is rather evil as well.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― _, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link
xpost
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 16:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― _, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link
xpost give me a fuckin break
― _, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link
The setup is very SPR-like - 'we must do our duty, even when it is stupid and even morally compromised, because it is our DUTY.'
― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― _, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link
But I'm not going to pretend that his track record doesn't give me room for concern.
― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link
(xp)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:39 (eighteen years ago) link