The Guardian is a lot like ILX, actually, You think it's tedious, smug, hypocritical, poorly written and badly thought out, full of pompous windbags flapping their predictable opinions - until you go around and check out the alternatives, and you realise that really, it's not half as bad as you think it is by comparison.
Very much otm. I know it's not really a comparison, but the quickest way to send my blood pressure through the roof of a morning is to have a read through the comments on the Guardian blogs. By comparison to the incessant clusterfuck idiocy there, the Graun's actual writers are like dear and cherished friends to me.
― Bill A, Saturday, 6 March 2010 11:30 (fourteen years ago) link
Wow when did Rod Liddle turn into Jeremy Clarkson? That oped piece is atrocious. I can't believe something so thick-headed even got published in a "proper" magazine.
― dead flower :( (Pashmina), Saturday, 6 March 2010 12:42 (fourteen years ago) link
And, even though I'm repeating myself, is there anything more fucking stupid and culturally reductive than this white middle class journalist man as whiny victim of "PC", the "left" etc, which seems to have become a media trope @ sometime during the last decade?
― dead flower :( (Pashmina), Saturday, 6 March 2010 12:47 (fourteen years ago) link
(obv unrelated to the guardian, but, you know)
― dead flower :( (Pashmina), Saturday, 6 March 2010 12:50 (fourteen years ago) link
Hatred of "PC" only means someone female, or with views to the left of this type of correspondent, has called such a person out on his poor manners.
― ned ragú (suzy), Saturday, 6 March 2010 12:51 (fourteen years ago) link
Wow when did Rod Liddle turn into Jeremy Clarkson?
ohhhh
there is much worse out there from liddle
it's not an article but a blogpost, though
― the archetypal ghetto hustler (history mayne), Saturday, 6 March 2010 12:53 (fourteen years ago) link
A blog post? Maybe somebody guessed his password and posted it without him knowing.
― James Mitchell, Saturday, 6 March 2010 13:35 (fourteen years ago) link
darraghmac strikes again!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/mar/11/generation-x-sarcasm-seriously
But by the time I was born, in the 1970s, some detached, too-cool Left Bank intellectual had taken a break from his doctorate in semiotics to invent postmodernism, and we were doomed to a world of irony.
good point darra!
― the archetypal ghetto hustler (history mayne), Thursday, 11 March 2010 14:43 (fourteen years ago) link
tbh my reaction to that is 'haha u old'
― thomp, Thursday, 11 March 2010 14:45 (fourteen years ago) link
It's about time someone wrote an article about Gen X and irony.
― Colonel Poo, Thursday, 11 March 2010 14:46 (fourteen years ago) link
been waiting twenty years for it
― the archetypal ghetto hustler (history mayne), Thursday, 11 March 2010 14:47 (fourteen years ago) link
it was on the tip of everyone's tongue; darraghmac just gave it a name
I used to like Peter Preston's columns for some reason, but I seem to have forgotten what it was.
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 11 March 2010 14:48 (fourteen years ago) link
i get blamed for everything around here.
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Friday, 12 March 2010 15:27 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/booksblog/2010/mar/09/finnegans-wake-nonsense
you just get worse and worse don't you.
― FC Tom Tomsk Club (Merdeyeux), Friday, 12 March 2010 18:37 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh ffs
This cunt is now officially offensive to the point of it not being funny to jibe our darragh about it
― Tibetan 'buca the Dead (Noodle Vague), Friday, 12 March 2010 21:49 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah but but buthttp://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/mar/12/malcolm-tucker-election-briefing
a++ intervention guardianistas
― we just have to get over it that's science (schlump), Friday, 12 March 2010 23:38 (fourteen years ago) link
didn't even read that irony article...basically clear it was some utter fucking moron. guardian actually hurts me as a human being once it goes beyond party politics and news.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Saturday, 13 March 2010 02:05 (fourteen years ago) link
I can't believe some people actually even vaguely considered the merits of Liddle's piece - what a hateful, hateful piece of crap that man is.
And also, James Joyce quite obviously couldn't read Finnegan's Wake because he was ALMOST BLIND during the writing of it. So shut up, dickfaces.
― emil.y, Saturday, 13 March 2010 02:25 (fourteen years ago) link
Was today's Weekend magazine photo feature on Cameron supporters supposed to be a hit list? Or just a sign that I should stop buying The Guardian?
― djh, Saturday, 20 March 2010 23:22 (fourteen years ago) link
i only saw a couple of those pictures on the website - there's some horrendous audio-slideshow in which they talk about the virtues of 'at the coalface' governance and some other shit - but i kind of feel like as an article it has some anthropological value. they did one about the new breed of young, fashionable, glassy-eyed tories a few years ago (just after cameron became leader iirc) which was terrifying. these things should be kept for posterity so their protagonists can be tracked down in five years and made to answer a tribunal.
― we just have to get over it that's science (schlump), Saturday, 20 March 2010 23:35 (fourteen years ago) link
See, I'd like to believe it had anthropological value but ... it just felt like Cameronite porn ... and the Guardian clearly saying it's fine to vote Conservative because a gay man and a novelist are going to.
― djh, Sunday, 21 March 2010 16:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Is it me, or is the Graun noticeabley and nakedly more partisan than it used to be, even by Graun standards? Am solid anti-Tory but this is ridiculous: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/pda/2010/mar/22/conservatives-cashgordon)
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 22 March 2010 15:22 (fourteen years ago) link
In the words of @wdjstraw: "Tory #cashgordon campaign brought to you by the team that tried to scupper US healthcare reform. #ToryFail"
Am I getting old or something?
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 22 March 2010 15:28 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't understand this board's hatred for Seumas Milne. A "menace"?? If only there were more journalists willing to uphold the argument for strong trade unionism like in this routinely excellent piece from last week...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/mar/17/unions-attack-democracy-unite-ba
― Venga, Monday, 22 March 2010 16:33 (fourteen years ago) link
that piece is unexceptionable, but he's a huge ahmadinejad guy, defends stalin, etc.
― rip sarah silverman 3/19/10 never forget (history mayne), Monday, 22 March 2010 16:44 (fourteen years ago) link
^
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 22 March 2010 16:44 (fourteen years ago) link
^^
If only there were more journalists willing to uphold the argument for strong iranian leadership like in this routinely excellent piece from last year...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/18/iran-elections-us-foreign-policy
― joe, Monday, 22 March 2010 16:46 (fourteen years ago) link
> Weekend magazine photo feature on Cameron supporters
that cover photo was my local candidate and i already see enough of his face on all the junk mail campaign literature he sends me.
the 'Video games: the addiction' article in the observer was quite poor
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2010/mar/21/tom-bissell-video-game-cocaine-addiction
mainly because the addiction was to cocaine.
― koogs, Monday, 22 March 2010 18:04 (fourteen years ago) link
Ugh, wtf have they done to their website?
― ears are wounds, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 16:01 (fourteen years ago) link
to counter the general tone, zoe williams is killing it recently
― egregious apostrophising (schlump), Tuesday, 30 March 2010 16:13 (fourteen years ago) link
― ears are wounds, Tuesday, March 30, 2010 5:01 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark
but yes this is making me seasick. it's like they ran the NYT site through one of these:
http://images.veer.com/IMG/PIMG/MPP/1109739_P.JPG
― egregious apostrophising (schlump), Tuesday, 30 March 2010 16:18 (fourteen years ago) link
― koogs, Monday, 22 March 2010 18:04 (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
tbf this was a really good article with a stupid headline
― thomp, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 16:20 (fourteen years ago) link
This is the typo on the header and lede/standfirst RIGHT NOW:
Warning of more bombers as Moscow death toll risesOfficials say women who blew themselves, killing 39 people, could have been part of squad of up to 20
― DCLXVI (suzy), Tuesday, 30 March 2010 16:21 (fourteen years ago) link
It's not terrible, and not exactly different, but I'm having a hard time trying to find the news on the homepage. Maybe the idea is to get you to click around the different sections.
From reading that gumpfy blog post about the redesign you'd have thought they'd have made it all ajaxy user-editable with customisable sections like the BBC homepage, or put a great stonking livestreaming video on there.
And for all their fuss about multimedia, god knows why it takes three clicks from the homepage to get to http://www.guardian.co.uk/audio
― James Mitchell, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 16:25 (fourteen years ago) link
otm.
as long as they don't fuck w/ http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian
― caek, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 16:26 (fourteen years ago) link
Also: shitty new advertising campaign
http://imgur.com/LiAOP.jpg
― James Mitchell, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 16:41 (fourteen years ago) link
"Owned by no-one"
lies
― passing through the whirlyturn (onimo), Tuesday, 30 March 2010 17:05 (fourteen years ago) link
id expect it from other papers, but there's something kind of weird about the guardian making a deal out of the new owner being foreign. i mean, they didn't used to have leprechauns jumping all over the indie masthead or what have you.
― rip sarah silverman 3/19/10 never forget (history mayne), Tuesday, 30 March 2010 17:14 (fourteen years ago) link
I think it's probably more that he's an oligarch and a former KGB man, neither of which are famed for signifying a commitment to free speech, than that he's foreign.
― ithappens, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 17:27 (fourteen years ago) link
^^ free to say anything?
― rip sarah silverman 3/19/10 never forget (history mayne), Tuesday, 30 March 2010 18:04 (fourteen years ago) link
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2008/06/02/richard_gott_140x140.jpg
"Like many other journalists, diplomats and politicians, I lunched with Russians during the cold war."
― joe, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 18:58 (fourteen years ago) link
haaaaa ^^^ truly solid burn
― rip sarah silverman 3/19/10 never forget (history mayne), Tuesday, 30 March 2010 19:40 (fourteen years ago) link
Spot the mistake:
http://imgur.com/XPtRV.png
― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 06:57 (fourteen years ago) link
Just 30 seconds ago I was complaining out loud that every other article I read on the Guardian's website has some stupid proofreading error. Thank you for proving my point!
― Not the real Village People, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 07:15 (fourteen years ago) link
Not just the website, it's the main headline of page eight of today's paper.
― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 07:24 (fourteen years ago) link
video from a former ilxor about manchester, home of joy division (surely salford... w/e), now home of property developers (boooo!), n the guardian website today.
i have literally no idea what the argument is meant to be, but we learn that property development/regeneration is bad and doesn't actually create culture (p sure roger scruton would agree), victorian capitalism was bad, thatcherism/blairism is bad, and the films 'closer' and '24 hour party people' are bad.
the clip's actually kind of ambivalent about factory, the hacienda (itself a bit of urban regeneration with a media-friendly situationist gloss), etc. yet i *think* there's something in there about how pissy council blocks inspired post-punk (and are therefore a good thing?). be interesting to hear from someone who lived in one.
― rip sarah silverman 3/19/10 never forget (history mayne), Wednesday, 31 March 2010 08:36 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah that clip is pretty incoherent. it's like they've edited out every other sentence.
― jabba hands, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 09:12 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and guess that Hatherley doesn't really bother to discuss much new music from Manchester before deciding its not as good as Joy Division?
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 09:14 (fourteen years ago) link
video from a former ilxor about manchester
Whozat?
― Collectible Spoons of the 3rd Reich (Tom D.), Wednesday, 31 March 2010 09:17 (fourteen years ago) link