Katrina's aftermath

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i actually think nothing put me in a fouler mood today than flipping through endless hurricane coverage and suddenly coming upon Jenna Elfman dressed in some goofy outfit and embarrassing a dumbstruck Thomas Gibson in that shit sitcom of theirs.

gear (gear), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm also sad about Lousiana Music Factory and all those studios with all those masters.

Jesus, I never even thought about this til now.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link

why did they put ppl in the superdome to begin with? did they think it would all blow over in a couple days and they could go back home?? why not just get a few hundred buses and take em up to some other shelter, since its gonna cost alot more than that to evacuate them from a flooded city

3, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:28 (eighteen years ago) link

i think the idea was that a temporary encampment for a few days could be set up and the Superdome's builders reckoned it could stand up wholly to 200MPH winds.

gear (gear), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:29 (eighteen years ago) link

The Superdome thing...yeah, you're right. I'm starting to wonder more and more.

Meanwhile here's some stuff from nola.com's blog (this includes a few things I've already posted):

Users report that the area near West Jefferson Hospital is dry, as is the 1700 block of N. Turnbull and St. Edwards near Transcontinental.

Walnut Bend and the Algiers area is reported to be doing well, with clean water and gas service.

There are several reports that the Uptown area remains unflooded, particularly around Magazine and Jefferson and Mag. and Webster; Prytania and Napoleon. Similar reports re the Garden District.

Baronne Street downtown is dry.

Port Street in the Marigny was dry this morning.

Canal Blvd. around Harrison is underwater, but a user posts that the water does NOT seem to be rising at all, regardless of what the nat'l. media reports.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Wikipedia's entry on Katrina is pretty outstanding

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:29 (eighteen years ago) link

www.loyno.edu is dead.

waterlogged out, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:31 (eighteen years ago) link

i got the impression from reading this book (obv. now updated) that a lot of the flood abatement efforts undertaken in the 20th century by the army c of e might lead to something like this, but i dunno for sure. anybody know if there's a decent centuries-long view of the lower mississippi in print?

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:31 (eighteen years ago) link

obv. now outdated, i mean.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I too am worried about the welfare of Ca$h Money and No Limit.

(Am glad that Adam and Rock are OK.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:33 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.seriesbooks.com/huckleberryfinn03.jpg

3, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link

lower mississppi, 3.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:35 (eighteen years ago) link

that's better.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:36 (eighteen years ago) link

http://seaspot.com/music/images/davidbanner2cover250.jpg

3, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Somewhere amidst reflexive complaining about the left re: Katrina and Jonah Goldberg seeking to prove himself a reformed and sensitive person, NRO world had this quick and moving bit from Dreher:

I finally got through to my family down in south Louisiana today. They live just north of Baton Rouge, on high ground, and had no damage, other than fallen trees. But they have no power, and don't know when they'll get it back, so they're boiling in the late August heat and humidity. Still, my sister said they would never complain, given what people are suffering not too far away. She had little idea of what's happening, because their TVs don't work. It's probably just as well. I heard from a Louisiana National Guard source that there are bodies everywhere in the far south, but the authorities aren't publicizing this.

My sister said she and the rest of the family are anticipating opening up their front yard to refugees in tents. They want to do something, anything. She said the sense of powerlessness to help the afflicted that those who emerged unscathed feel is agonizing. I know that we are going to see in the next days and weeks the strong backs and stout hearts of the people of Louisiana made manifest in the relief effort. My great aunt Hilda Moss, who died when I was a boy, was a Red Cross worker when the 1927 flood devastated so much of the state. When they told her that a woman had no business going into the back country to bring relief, she disguised herself as a man, commandeered a boat, and brought help to stranded country people. That's the spirit of Louisiana that I know. It's driving me slightly crazy to be sitting here in an office in downtown Dallas instead of down there helping.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:42 (eighteen years ago) link

4:40 P.M. - (AP) State officials say they are working on plans to evaucate inmates from the Orleans Parish prison and the Jefferson Parish jail. Both facilities face a threat of flooding.


The state Corrections Department is trying to figure out how to transfer 4,000 inmates from the New Orleans jail and another 1,000 from the Jefferson Parish jail in Gretna.


The inmates would be moved to state prisons including the highest-security at Angola. Corrections spokesman Pam LaBorde says it's quite a logistical situation to accomplish.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I had read earlier about the prisons rioting prior to and during the hurricane, so I'd be interested to know what the hell is happening right now.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:45 (eighteen years ago) link

holy shit its like con air!!!

3, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:45 (eighteen years ago) link

http://eiuhalloffame.com/malkovich/malkoconair1.gif

3, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:46 (eighteen years ago) link

fuck i just realized c-murder is in jefferson parish!! :( :( :(

3, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Pretty grim story about Biloxi. Though the bit that sticks with me:

Richard Leland, who had traveled from his California home to experience a hurricane, admitted: "I got a little more than I had expected."

Remind me not to be next to this fucker when the big earthquake hits.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:56 (eighteen years ago) link

see, there's your ghoulishness 3

gear (gear), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Also destroyed among the thousands of homes was Mississippi Sen. Trent Lott's 154-year-old oceanfront residence in Pascagoula, according to a spokeswoman from his office. A friend had boarded it up ahead of the hurricane's arrival Monday, said spokeswoman Susan Irby.

"He's been told there's nothing left," she said. "They plan to go out to see if they can recover any valuables."

The senator's wife, Tricia, told him the news Monday night. She had rode out the storm in their house in Jackson.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:59 (eighteen years ago) link

a silver lining

3, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Someone was talking about N.O. places we've been to that are now underwater. Seems like most of the places I've been to as a tourist are probably still dry. The French Quarter and the Garden District are the only areas that I've spent any time in.

But it's horrible to think of all of those places being destroyed or damaged. The Half Moon. Tipitina's. And of course, all the wonderful people down there.

My wife and I met each other face-to-face in New Orleans. One day, we drove all the way down LA 45 until it dead-ended at a refinery. To think that all of that may be gone now. It's horrible.

This is a horrible analogy, but forgive me, I'm producing a sports-talk show right now. Just like one sees more of a football game from the huddle than from the Goodyear blimp, I can only imagine the ungodly horrors that are taking place basically before our eyes everytime a helicopter's camera swoops over the devastation.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link

a silver lining

I admit I thought, "No tears for you, Senator Fuckface."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:03 (eighteen years ago) link

god didn't want him to publish that book.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:04 (eighteen years ago) link

i was watching UPN 13 here in L.A., what with their "loose, wacky" newscast, and they devote about 30 seconds to each news story. Their headline for Katrina last night? "AWESOME DAMAGE"

gear (gear), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Don Allred just sent me an email to assure me he's all right. I supposed he would be, since where he is - betw. Selma and Montgomery - missed the brunt of Katrina. But I was worried anyway, because that's how I am. He's been talking to a friend who stayed down around Mobile, so maybe he'll have some interesting news later.

(I'm sure my motives for being interested in disasters are far worse than Ned's. I've always regretted that in November 1963 I turned off the TV and went out to play 15 minutes before Lee Harvey Oswald was shot. I could have seen it! And this last July I was telling people "I know some people who lost a friend in the London bombings." Of course, it affected me, to know London ILX was going through grief, but also it was like I was passing along gossip, as if to say "Look at me, I'm in the know, I'm connected to this thing" (from which I was actually very distant). It's human, I'm human. And there's a sense in which these Big Stories become a conversation piece and connection between a lot of us. I must say, I enjoyed ILX immensely in the weeks following 9-11.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:06 (eighteen years ago) link

what about the houses of the three remaining singing senators????

3, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

"And God said, 'Only punish the baritone. I'll deal with the rest later.'"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link

i wonder how less the media would care about this if it was just a bunch of random coastal towns in mississippi instead of the sophisticated yankee tourist destination of new orleans

3, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link

ALOT LESS

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link

i can picture lots of smug new england democrat jokes about god punishing the bush voting states

3, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link

i can picture lots of smug new england democrat jokes about god punishing the bush voting states

I think a few have gone around already. Fuckers.

And yeah, Don just posted on ILM, so that's cool.

Here's hoping Fetchboy gets the news and gets out -- again, he's in the best place to be comparatively speaking, but remember he's also keeping an eye on his grandpa.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link

ahh but n'awlins, so cultured, so french

3, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Am I the only one who can't stop hearing a certain drum break in my head when I read about this?

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:11 (eighteen years ago) link

One of my coworkers' has lots of family in Gulfport. Last she heard everyone got out but she hasn't heard from them since Sunday evening for any further word.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:11 (eighteen years ago) link

is lott really the baritone?

3, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Imagine if. (I had a one in four chance.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:13 (eighteen years ago) link

>i wonder how less the media would care about this if it was just a bunch of random coastal towns in mississippi instead of the sophisticated yankee tourist destination of new orleans<

Well, given the fact that there's 1.3 million people in the New Orleans metro area, and there's 2.6 million in the entire state of Mississippi, I'd say you're comparing apples and oranges. Of course they're going to give more coverage since it hit New Orleans: It has the capacity of being the biggest disaster since 9/11, if not having a death toll *exceeding* that. If it was going to hit Houston, and Houston happened to be poorly designed as well and the possibility of it flooding everything and killing the entire populace was there, you can bet your ass the non-destination of Houston would get just as much interest.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:14 (eighteen years ago) link

(I mean, I get that at this point your purpose here is trolling for responses, 3, but hey, go right ahead. I'm done with this. no one else at this point seems to mind)

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:14 (eighteen years ago) link

3 and blount and ned: there was lots of ivan coverage up here in sophisticated yankee-land, when orange beach and gulf shores and pensacola got smoked. new orleans is the biggest city on the coast so of course it's going to get the most coverage, "lib'ul media" conspiracy theories notwithstanding.

two illuminating articles:

When the levee breaks [from www.pnionline.com]

It appears that the money has been moved in the president’s budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that’s the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can’t be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us.

-- Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; New Orleans Times-Picayune, June 8, 2004.

This picture is an aerial view of New Orleans today, more than 14 months later. Even though Hurricane Katrina has moved well north of the city and the sun is out, the waters continue to rise in New Orleans as we write this. That's because Lake Pontchartrain continues to pour through a two-block-long break in the main levee, near the city's 17th Street Canal. With much of the Crescent City some 10 feet below sea level, the rising tide may not stop until until it's level with the massive lake.

There have been numerous reports of bodies floating in the poorest neighborhoods of this poverty-plagued city, but the truth is that the death toll may not be known for days, because the conditions continue to frustrate rescue efforts.

New Orleans had long known it was highly vulnerable to flooding and a direct hit from a hurricane. In fact, the federal government has been working with state and local officials in the region since the late 1960s on major hurricane and flood relief efforts. When flooding from a massive rainstorm in May 1995 killed six people, Congress authorized the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, or SELA.

Over the next 10 years, the Army Corps of Engineers, tasked with carrying out SELA, spent $430 million on shoring up levees and building pumping stations, with $50 million in local aid. But at least $250 million in crucial projects remained, even as hurricane activity in the Atlantic Basin increased dramatically and the levees surrounding New Orleans continued to subside.

Yet after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars. (Much of the research here is from Nexis, which is why some articles aren't linked.)

In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to this Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness:

The $750 million Lake Pontchartrain and Vicinity Hurricane Protection project is another major Corps project, which remains about 20% incomplete due to lack of funds, said Al Naomi, project manager. That project consists of building up levees and protection for pumping stations on the east bank of the Mississippi River in Orleans, St. Bernard, St. Charles and Jefferson parishes.

The Lake Pontchartrain project is slated to receive $3.9 million in the president's 2005 budget. Naomi said about $20 million is needed.

"The longer we wait without funding, the more we sink," he said. "I've got at least six levee construction contracts that need to be done to raise the levee protection back to where it should be (because of settling). Right now I owe my contractors about $5 million. And we're going to have to pay them interest."

That June, with the 2004 hurricane seasion starting, the Corps' Naomi went before a local agency, the East Jefferson Levee Authority, and essentially begged for $2 million for urgent work that Washington was now unable to pay for. From the June 18, 2004 Times-Picayune:

"The system is in great shape, but the levees are sinking. Everything is sinking, and if we don’t get the money fast enough to raise them, then we can’t stay ahead of the settlement," he said. "The problem that we have isn’t that the levee is low, but that the federal funds have dried up so that we can’t raise them."

The panel authorized that money, and on July 1, 2004, it had to pony up another $250,000 when it learned that stretches of the levee in Metairie had sunk by four feet. The agency had to pay for the work with higher property taxes. The levee board noted in October 2004 that the feds were also now not paying for a hoped-for $15 million project to better shore up the banks of Lake Pontchartrain.

The 2004 hurricane season, as you probably recall, was the worst in decades. In spite of that, the federal government came back this spring with the steepest reduction in hurricane- and flood-control funding for New Orleans in history. Because of the proposed cuts, the Corps office there imposed a hiring freeze. Officials said that money targeted for the SELA project -- $10.4 million, down from $36.5 million -- was not enough to start any new jobs. According to New Orleans CityBusiness this June 5:

The district has identified $35 million in projects to build and improve levees, floodwalls and pumping stations in St. Bernard, Orleans, Jefferson and St. Charles parishes. Those projects are included in a Corps line item called Lake Pontchartrain, where funding is scheduled to be cut from $5.7 million this year to $2.9 million in 2006. Naomi said it's enough to pay salaries but little else.

"We'll do some design work. We'll design the contracts and get them ready to go if we get the money. But we don't have the money to put the work in the field, and that's the problem," Naomi said.

There was, at the same time, a growing recognition that more research was needed to see what New Orleans must do to protect itself from a Category 4 or 5 hurricane. But once again, the money was not there. As the Times-Picayune reported last Sept. 22:

That second study would take about four years to complete and would cost about $4 million, said Army Corps of Engineers project manager Al Naomi. About $300,000 in federal money was proposed for the 2005 fiscal-year budget, and the state had agreed to match that amount.

But the cost of the Iraq war forced the Bush administration to order the New Orleans district office not to begin any new studies, and the 2005 budget no longer includes the needed money, he said.

The Senate was seeking to restore some of the SELA funding cuts for 2006. But now it's too late. One project that a contractor had been racing to finish this summer was a bridge and levee job right at the 17th Street Canal, site of the main breach. The levee failure appears to be causing a human tragedy of epic proportions:

"We probably have 80 percent of our city under water; with some sections of our city the water is as deep as 20 feet. Both airports are underwater," Mayor Ray Nagin told a radio interviewer.

Washington knew that this day could come at any time, and it knew the things that needed to be done to protect the citizens of New Orleans. But in the tradition of the riverboat gambler, the Bush administration decided to roll the dice on its fool's errand in Iraq, and on a tax cut that mainly benefitted the rich.

And now Bush has lost that gamble, big time. We hope that Congress will investigate what went wrong here.

The president told us that we needed to fight in Iraq to save lives here at home, and yet -- after moving billions of domestic dollars to the Persian Gulf -- there are bodies floating through the streets of Louisana. What does George W. Bush have to say for himself now?

LA National Guard Wants Equipment to Come Back From Iraq

August 1, 2005, 9:07 PM CDT

JACKSON BARRACKS -- When members of the Louisiana National Guard left for Iraq in October, they took a lot equipment with them. Dozens of high water vehicles, humvees, refuelers and generators are now abroad, and in the event of a major natural disaster that, could be a problem.

"The National Guard needs that equipment back home to support the homeland security mission," said Lt. Colonel Pete Schneider with the LA National Guard.

Col. Schneider says the state has enough equipment to get by, and if Louisiana were to get hit by a major hurricane, the neighboring states of Mississippi, Alabama and Florida have all agreed to help.

"As Governor Bush did for Ivan, after they were hit so many times, he just maxed all of his resources out, he reached out to Louisiana and we sent 200 national guardsmen to help support in recovery efforts," Col. Schneider said.

Members of the Houma-based 256th Infantry will be returning in October, but it could be much longer before the rest of their equipment comes home.

"You've got combatant commanders over there who need it they say they need it, they don't want to lose what they have, and we certainly understand that it's a matter it's a matter of us educating that combatant commander, we need it back here as well," Col. Schneider said.

And even if commanders in Iraq release the equipment, getting it home takes months.

"It's just the process of identifying which equipment we're bringing home, bringing it down to Kuwait, loading it on ships or aircraft however we're gonna get it back here and then either railing it in or trucking it in, so we're talking a significant amount of time before that equipment is back home," Schneider said.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:16 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah i was just trolling man theres no bias against the rural south in our national news media

3, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:19 (eighteen years ago) link

growing up in south carolina i was always clear that new york media outlets treated my state with the utmost respect and dignity

3, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Houston's a lot more sophisticated than New Orleans. one of the singing Senators is from Vermont. and Trent Lott isn't exactly the Christian right's poster boy.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link

My 2 cents on that levee article: It wasn't the cost of the war, but the lost revenue from tax cuts.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

'which bushco approval rating spike resulted in my family's homelessness?'

3, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:23 (eighteen years ago) link

frank, i'd say it's both. what revenue that would remain after the tax cuts (which came before the war, of course) is now gone because of the cost of the war, which is why the war itself (along with a lot of other government functions) is being run on deficit spending.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:23 (eighteen years ago) link


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