I read the transcript: It's a bit funny, in a sort of tragic inevitability way. It's not massively oppressive. About how far through were the pair in that sort of "bollox, we're fucked now" mind?
― Mark G, Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:30 (fifteen years ago) link
It would only have been on iPlayer for a week after broadcast
xxpost
― ailsa, Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:31 (fifteen years ago) link
did anyone kick their PC in?
― Mark G, Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:32 (fifteen years ago) link
It is true that the right-wing anti-BBC campaigners who want to privatize everything are bad and hypocritical and dangerous to Britain and the world.
But it is also true that Ross and Brand are scum and should not be allowed on the BBC.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:33 (fifteen years ago) link
Where are the 27,000 complaints to the Press Complaints Commission about the Daily Mail publishing knowingly offensive material? Why has Paul Dacre not been suspended or dismissed from his post as editor of the Daily Mail for peddling filth?
Oh yes, I forgot - It's A Good Story.
― Doreen, Dorset (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:33 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't think you can say 'fuck' on tv before 9pm, which was the issue with Ryder and Evans wasn't it?
― A country only rich people know (Ned Trifle II), Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:33 (fifteen years ago) link
I think the printing of material that wasn't broadcast might warrant a complaint.
― A country only rich people know (Ned Trifle II), Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:35 (fifteen years ago) link
xps
and let us not forget it was because of JRoss and RBrand that caused ASachs the trauma of being hounded by the press outside his own home... Of course, his granddaughter hasn't caused it by giving interviews to the Sun about how she was callously shagged etc...
― Mark G, Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:37 (fifteen years ago) link
Clarkson and his cronies and George Lamb are all scum also. They should not be allowed on the BBC either.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:37 (fifteen years ago) link
xp there is a suspicion that RBrand told JRoss that he'd had sex with the girl - Off-air and unrecorded. How long until that conversation is imagined and reported?
xp again: Is GLamb on the BBC?
― Mark G, Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:39 (fifteen years ago) link
But Georgina Baillie, 23, said that despite his ladies’ man reputation, he was a “disappointment” in bed.
Not much detail, The Sun must have been disappointed.
― A country only rich people know (Ned Trifle II), Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:40 (fifteen years ago) link
I think the unnecessary printing of material that was broadcast to a small, specialised audience spreads poison and should warrant substantial disciplinary action.
Everyone makes tasteless jokes in pubs.
But if these were overheard, written down and published in mass circulation newspapers it would qualify as spreading of hateful material.
If the person who made the joke in the first place was sacked from their job and/or investigated by the police as a result of someone else publishing remarks that were never meant to be published or go beyond the pub table in question then this country might as well vote in a Nazi dictatorship and be honest about it.
― Doreen, Dorset (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:41 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1081722/Georgina-Baillie-Russell-Brand-obsessed-Fawlty-Towers-grandfather-bed.html
(will let you decide from the URL whether you actually want to read poor Georgina's terrible side of the story)
― ailsa, Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:42 (fifteen years ago) link
And Ms Baillie has a nice new career.
Jealous talk.
― cold and super-rational with anger (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:42 (fifteen years ago) link
If they had got through to Sachs for the interview, they still would have ended up mentioning "I fucked yr grand-daughter" right? I wonder how things woyuld have played out then.
― cold and super-rational with anger (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:43 (fifteen years ago) link
(note gratuituous mention of Brand's former heroin addiction near the end for extra HE IS A BAD MANG, DO YOU SEE points)
xpost to myself
― ailsa, Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Mark - Andrew Sachs basically doesn't give a shit about any of this.
He didn't exactly look traumatised when the press interviewed him on the news yesterday.
And no one else gave a shit about any of this until the Mail on Sunday decided to stick their oar in.
Patrick - not "jealous talk," just pointing out the real beneficiary of two other careers needlessly going down the toilet.
― Doreen, Dorset (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:44 (fifteen years ago) link
You wish you had her lifestyle! Who wouldn't.
― cold and super-rational with anger (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:45 (fifteen years ago) link
Some concerned citizens, yesterday
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/mozzer232/FATHER_TED_Down_with_this_sort_of_t.jpg
― ailsa, Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:46 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.newstatesman.com/law-and-reform/2008/10/madeleine-mccann-daily-british
Newspaper accountability - demanded only of others.
― Pete W, Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:46 (fifteen years ago) link
Brand's first response to this, "what's worse, leaving a swearword on Andrew Sachs's answerphone or supporting the Third Reich?" was pretty classic.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:46 (fifteen years ago) link
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/10/30/article-1081722-024BD9BD000005DC-252_233x399.jpg
Miss Baillie's comments came as her pro-wrestler ex-boyfriend threatened to 'give him a smack.'
Alex Shane, a 19-stone twice British champion heavyweight wrestler, said: 'I thought it was really out of order.
'I think Brand is used to getting away with these things.
'He needs to be taught some humility. He's very quick-witted but shows a real lack of class. It's gutter low.
'Just give me five minutes in the ring with him!'
― A country only rich people know (Ned Trifle II), Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Okay NOW it's a good story.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:48 (fifteen years ago) link
The thugs and barbarians always find a way.
― Doreen, Dorset (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:48 (fifteen years ago) link
You know what? I don't even blame her. She should make out of it what she can. It wasn't until the balloon went up bigtime that she pitched in. If she hadn't, she was in a no-win situation anyway. Might as well...
For all RBrand isn't the 'kiss and tell' type, he is the 'kiss and blurt it out when it gets too much' type.
There's a bunch of women with 'shagged by RBrand' stamped on their fhead. What to do?
― Mark G, Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:49 (fifteen years ago) link
xxxpost I'm sure he's not bothered (ASachs I mean. Nearly typed Sacher there. WTF?), but the hounds of the press on the doorstep is more of a trauma than a bunch of crap ansaphone messages...
Boxer b-friend in "I'm much bigger and stronger than RBrand, so I feel like I can beat him up and everyone will cheer me hray!" um, sandwich.
Bad news dude: It's two rounds, and the first round involves smack.
― Mark G, Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:51 (fifteen years ago) link
So it's OK for a Max Clifford-backed, self-proclaimed Satanic Slut to torpedo the careers of others?
"Shagged by RBrand," not "Raped by RBrand" - they had a choice.
― Doreen, Dorset (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Hahahahahahaha OMFG Alex Shane. Seriously, this is where it gets funnier.
― Carrie Bradshaw Layfield (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Printing the material again and again is indeed bad and hypocritical, as Carlin says.
But it is wrong to equate making a joke in a pub with saying something on a BBC radio programme which is probably heard by millions (really! R2 is the most popular channel in the country) and for which you are paid £££££. Those are two totally different scenarios.
George Lamb appears on 6Music and is a diabolical prick who knows nothing and gets paid for it.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:53 (fifteen years ago) link
Torpedos were already launched.
Not "OK", no, but as I say, I don't believe her interview has added to the weight against them. More likely made some go "Her? Actually, I'm less bothered now."
xpost oh yeah, forgot about 6musi.
― Mark G, Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:54 (fifteen years ago) link
Dom, is Mr Shane as charming as he looks?
― A country only rich people know (Ned Trifle II), Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:55 (fifteen years ago) link
The point is the Mail is now printing stuff that WASN'T broadcast. That was what I thought might be worth a compliant.
― A country only rich people know (Ned Trifle II), Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:57 (fifteen years ago) link
I think everyone's forgetting it was Ross who did the public blurting. Also, if you can get past Alex Shane, it also says in that article that it was an ongoing relationship of more than a year Baillie had with Brand, not just a one-night stand. If you have an ongoing relationship for a year with a known serial shagger, you can't expect it to be totally private.
― ailsa, Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:57 (fifteen years ago) link
― A country only rich people know (Ned Trifle II), Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:55 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Seriously, where to start.
― Carrie Bradshaw Layfield (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:57 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm hitting google to find all my favourite Shane anecdotes, but if you're looking for a carny bastard who epitomises all that is shady and underhand about the wrestling scene, then you've hit paydirt with this character. He may also have had sex with a Thai tranny at one point, this is unconfirmed.
― Carrie Bradshaw Layfield (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:59 (fifteen years ago) link
On reflection I'm sure Baillie didn't have any direct input into the hypocrisy that caused all this. But Clifford and the Sun input don't help her case.
Pinefox - as I have already said several times on this thread the Russell Brand Show is (or was) broadcast to a relatively small and very specialised audience WHO KNEW EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE GETTING WHEN THEY TUNED IN and indeed formed the reason why Brand was given the show in the first place, i.e. he was expected to be "edgy" and "controversial."
Given that only TWO listeners complained about the prank before the Sundays blasted it into public consciousness then your theory doesn't hold, I'm afraid.
― Doreen, Dorset (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:59 (fifteen years ago) link
Good character witness for Ms Baillie then?
xpost
― ailsa, Thursday, 30 October 2008 09:59 (fifteen years ago) link
If I was Ms Baillie I'd be checking my purse last thing before I went to sleep at night and first thing in the morning, put it that way.
― Carrie Bradshaw Layfield (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Thursday, 30 October 2008 10:01 (fifteen years ago) link
Wait, so we have a tranny chaser indie wrestler involved in the mix now? STOKED FOR THE MADNESS, as they say in the classics.
― India's second-favourite Australian popstar (King Boy Pato), Thursday, 30 October 2008 10:06 (fifteen years ago) link
jerks got what they deserved, hurrah for the press (for once)
― Ant Attack.. (Ste), Thursday, 30 October 2008 10:09 (fifteen years ago) link
BBC FILTH WASTING MY TAXPAYERS MONEY ARGH ARGH ARGGGH
― India's second-favourite Australian popstar (King Boy Pato), Thursday, 30 October 2008 10:11 (fifteen years ago) link
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=265852974
No one said that change was easy but has anything in your life that is worth having ever been so other than a self service hand job?
― ailsa, Thursday, 30 October 2008 10:12 (fifteen years ago) link
"Some of my new written philosophy"
― India's second-favourite Australian popstar (King Boy Pato), Thursday, 30 October 2008 10:13 (fifteen years ago) link
nct
― Mark G, Thursday, 30 October 2008 10:13 (fifteen years ago) link
― I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP TO (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 30 October 2008 10:14 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm quite enjoying all the "senior BBC broadcasters" sticking the boot in completely anonymously.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 30 October 2008 10:16 (fifteen years ago) link
"what's worse, leaving a swearword on Andrew Sachs's answerphone or supporting the Third Reich?"
Two sniggering fucks indulging in a bit of laddish misogyny and getting paid an enormous amount of money for it?
― Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Thursday, 30 October 2008 10:16 (fifteen years ago) link
Heroes: Dino Scarlo, Gandhi, Albert Einstein (watch the video with his quotes I've added), John F Kennedy (see the video below if you ever wondered what really got him killed), Bill Hicks, Jesus (and I'm not religious so work that one out), My Grandad Fred, Micheal Tsarion, Robert Anton Wilson, Nikola Tesla, DJ Paul Christian (Without him I would never have discovered the wonder that is Electro house)and finally my Mum.
― The Slash My Father Wrote (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 30 October 2008 10:19 (fifteen years ago) link
See what I mean, only one women on that list *angry emoticon*
― Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Thursday, 30 October 2008 10:20 (fifteen years ago) link