Has ILE become too pally?

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Also how come in the month I wasn't posting I got EVEN FATTER :(

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:10 (twenty years ago) link

"enrage yrself thinner w.ilxor"

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:27 (twenty years ago) link

Squirrel Police, at least log out to make your bitchy comments.

Larcole (Nicole), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:30 (twenty years ago) link

I don't think it's the palliness that people object to, but rather the endless allusions to things that happen offboard at meetups, FAPs, etc. - this makes you feel very left out and out of the loop and unpopular if you weren't at said events.

I've never met another Ilxor, haven't been on AIM in months, and that never bothers me.

Like I said upthread: someone, somewhere, is always bitching about ILX. Either it's too pally/in-jokey/chat-roomy/twee/nice/cliquish, or it's too hostile/unsafe/argumentative/overrun-by-new-people. You can't have it both ways. You can't fix both problems. All you can do, apparently, is keep swinging back and forth between the two. The complaining is probably part of the cycle, which means we're about to be overrun with personal attacks, stalkerish behavior, and a few people leaving the boards or threatening to -- or maybe we have, cause I'm not caught up yet.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:44 (twenty years ago) link

I post jokes mostly, but that's because I'm intimidated by the level of intelligent conversation on the "serious" threads. I usually feel like anything serious I post pales in comparison and my arguments are poorly developed. I read some of the serious threads but almost never post on them anymore. When I do post on them, I regret it later. Joking is easier. Whether this is a good or bad thing, I'm not sure.

NA. (Nick A.), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:50 (twenty years ago) link

I don't know that there's any point in mentioning this, but I tend to avoid the super-serious threads (well, not just serious but the serious and "intellectual" threads), because they're often so earnest it reminds me of my freshman/sophomore years. I can't take them seriously.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:53 (twenty years ago) link

Tep is completely OTM in both of his posts.

Josh, if the reason you left Usenet was because it became too pally, I have to wonder at how you're defining the word "pally".

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:54 (twenty years ago) link

You can't have it both ways. You can't fix both problems.

Yeah you can, in theory. It doesn't have to be either of things. In practice, maybe you're right that those are the two traps it can fall into.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:57 (twenty years ago) link

haha he put intellectual in quote marks

i read and post on the "earnest" threads bcz the chances of finding somewhere else in the world where i get my ideas this stretched or challenged = v.slim indeed

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:59 (twenty years ago) link

ILE would be much better if it wasn't for those pesky charismatic posters the others try and impress.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:01 (twenty years ago) link

WHY I LIKE "JOKEY" THREADS MORE THAN "SERIOUS" THREADS:

My take on it is that the serious threads are often less about exchanging ideas and much more about scoring points off of each other in a genteel, academic manner and if I'm going to be involved in a point-scoring contest, it's much more entertaining to me to involve dick jokes.

Conversely, I really like the way people are treated when they post personal problems to the board. The outpouring of well wishes and sympathy usually staggers me, even given that many of us have met each other.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:03 (twenty years ago) link

Like I said up thread, people are not made to contribute to all threads. If they are too 'intellectual' then you don't post to them. I don't if people are talking way above my head. There is nothing wrong with posting jokes at all. Everyone has to get out of ILE what they want. As I said, I find it helps to pass the time during my boring work.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:05 (twenty years ago) link

I have also found that if someone has posted about a personal problem, it is accepted & advice is offered. It is never made fun of or laughed at. This is the thing I most like about ILE.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:06 (twenty years ago) link

big ditto to Dan

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:12 (twenty years ago) link

And you say that ILM is not warm and loving... I give you:

In Praise of Kate St. Clair

I mean look! Jason and Pete fighting over my affections! You wouldn't get that on ILE!

kate (kate), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:13 (twenty years ago) link

Yes you would!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:14 (twenty years ago) link

i am working on a masterplan (= ensure dick jokes are accepted into mainstream academic discourse BY VIRTUE OF THEIR INTELLECTUAL CONTENT) but my minions have all run in the opposite direction, the bungling fools

*accidentally releases tons of guano onto own head and suffocates*

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:19 (twenty years ago) link

I like the Kuhn thread even though i haven't contributed. I like having new things to think abt and i don't think of it as 'point scoring'. those threads stay with me more than the ''joke'' threads.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:20 (twenty years ago) link

A pally ILE is infinitely preferable to the ILE we had a few months ago and at other points in the past where people were tearing lumps out of each other left right and centre.

I have no problem whatsoever with chatcentric threads as long as they don't overtake other threads much, and I don't really think they do.

Incidentally, Dan in serious mode, which happens more than he gives himself credit for, is one of my favourite posters...

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:27 (twenty years ago) link

*boggle*

Wow, Matt. Thanks!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:28 (twenty years ago) link

Andrew, are you stalking me online now? You know my sordid Usenet troll past! *SIGH*

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:29 (twenty years ago) link

I love both mode Dans, but the serious one puts the jokey one into brilliant relief

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:29 (twenty years ago) link

I'm still recovering from that fucking Matthew Barney thread. I haven't been able to talk about nuttin' smart for days. And that one about Bush is just damn depressing. Dick, pussy and ass jokes recharge the ol' batteries! I thank god for you, you vulgar motherfuckers.

django (django), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:32 (twenty years ago) link

(I'm still reeling, guys. Thanks.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:38 (twenty years ago) link

Andrew, are you stalking me online now?

If you're going to say things like "I'm undetectable on Usenet" without typing your name into Google Groups, you get what's coming to you.

You know my sordid Usenet troll past!

You wish - I know your stolid a.f.g-h FAQKeeper past.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:53 (twenty years ago) link

Did you actually read that thing? I think I claimed to BE Geri Halliwell in it. Do a search for Ron Traino and you'll see the light.

I'm obviously not undetectable on Usenet and also any one of these fuckers could actually tell the name that I posted 99.9% of my Usenet shit under! I just trust my compadres not to sell me out to the mang.

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 12:56 (twenty years ago) link

THIS IS NOT ABOUT SERIOUS, DRY THREADS vs JOKEY THREADS.

I love jokey threads. But my favourites are the ones that make you think and laugh.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 13:18 (twenty years ago) link

Dan in serious mode is a Wonderful Man. In jokey mode, he takes it all to the stage. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 13:28 (twenty years ago) link

Ditto.

I just trust my compadres not to sell me out to the mang.

So I'm the mang now? Fabulous.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 13:32 (twenty years ago) link

You're the mang now dog!

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 13:43 (twenty years ago) link

OH MY GOD ALLY!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 13:48 (twenty years ago) link

Ally isn't YOUR god, she's everyone's.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 13:49 (twenty years ago) link

ally akbar!

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 13:56 (twenty years ago) link

I think ILE has become too Ally. ;-)

Larcole (Nicole), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 13:58 (twenty years ago) link

Never such a thing!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 14:08 (twenty years ago) link

Maybe someone should start a “this is a thread for posts that DID NOT make you laugh out loud /I don’t get this joke-please explain it my sorry self -sob sob bang bang ouch that was my head...”

kephm, Wednesday, 16 July 2003 14:18 (twenty years ago) link

B-but Kate! I started an ILE thread for you once! :-)

When I first visited (uh, lurked on) ILE, I felt like I was at this party and didn't know everyone. But lots of the folks looked really cool and I wanted to chat them up and become bestest buddies with them. So then I got up the courage to start posting and now I can post messages to people by name and know a bit about them and their personality. It's fun stuff. I should hope it's like that for most new people.

Sarah McLUsky (coco), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 14:20 (twenty years ago) link

I think ILE has become too Ally. ;-)

:(

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 14:22 (twenty years ago) link

The Ragget wink should give away that this statement was joke!

Larcole (Nicole), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 14:28 (twenty years ago) link

The RaggetT wink is even more accurate!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 14:30 (twenty years ago) link

Why is it that whenever people talk about comical things, they invoke the Raggett winkie?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 14:31 (twenty years ago) link

*insert comment here, or just let it dangle*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 14:32 (twenty years ago) link

Stop being so serious, Dan. ;-)

Sarah McLUsky (coco), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 14:32 (twenty years ago) link

This will probably sound more offensive than I indended (IE at all), but I think people like Ally, Ned, Dan who have a big cartoon personality alongside their normal "personal" personality are a big help in getting new people to feel at home. They're easy interaction.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 14:45 (twenty years ago) link

HOORAY I'M EASY

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 14:48 (twenty years ago) link

Sheesh, Raggeett, people misspell my surname all the time: In Praise of Kate St. Clair but you don't see me getting all uppity about it!

kate (kate), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 14:50 (twenty years ago) link

That thread again: In Praise of Kate St. Clair

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 14:52 (twenty years ago) link

(only joking, I heart Kate and should have added her to the list above)

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 14:54 (twenty years ago) link

NNeedd RRaaggggeetttt.

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 14:57 (twenty years ago) link

I love that thread so much I don't even care that they misspelled my name on it. But I get the feeling that if I started a thread called "Neg Ragget I Love You, I Would Like To Paint Your Toenails I Love You So Much" that all he would do would be get on the thread and say "Fi, you scoundrels, you have misspelled my name, away with ye" and flounce off.

kate (kate), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 15:00 (twenty years ago) link


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