Which of these conspiracy theories is most plausible?

who can tell? we are but small automata tapping away in our little boxes.

I never feel like admitting this to people because I don't like to get in big hoohaws over it but I feel like yeah AIDS probably is man-made.

I would also like to believe in Hollow Earth, that's where the Grey's live.

I believe Jews are responsible for Hebrew National franks.

And I thank them.

wheres the conspiracy that suggests that human energy can effect the world around us (etc)? mioto water crystals

dan i. has a point though, these theories are so blatantly stupid that they risk making us dismiss ANY account of ppl in power acting in collusion to make something bad happen.

Aye. Appointing Henry Kissinger as head of the 9/11 Commission isn't exactly the work of a totally innocent party.

wheres the conspiracy that suggests that human energy can effect the world around us (etc)? mioto water crystals

I recall that some of them have moved on to quantum mind theories.

I just typed an entry casting doubt on climate change, and it hasn't appeared. Bloody scientist illuminati.

But don't respectable scientists, well, Roger Penrose at least, give some credence to quantum mind theories?

Hands off, lizards. Climate change on is the only one which seems at all plausible, and even then I wouldn't call it conspiracy, just a mistake that became fashionable and is now being reinforced by all sorts of cognitive biases. It's not like history isn't full of such errors.

Plus, I had an environmental textbook from the 80s of which the very first line was something like 'Now that manking is facing the initial stages of a new ice age...' so forgive me for being a bit sceptical here

Quantum mind stuff and Mioto crystals go in the "weird science" bin, not the "conspiracy theory" bin. Lots of respectable scientists attached to weird theories: orgones, etc.

lol did u guys miss the thread last week where captain lorax was trying to push that stuff

Hands off, lizards. Climate change on is the only one which seems at all plausible, and even then I wouldn't call it conspiracy, just a mistake that became fashionable and is now being reinforced by all sorts of cognitive biases. It's not like history isn't full of such errors.

Plus, I had an environmental textbook from the 80s of which the very first line was something like 'Now that manking is facing the initial stages of a new ice age...' so forgive me for being a bit sceptical here

yeah this is hell of otm, when i form opinions about science i tend to weigh my 80s-era enviro textbook against the opinion of thousands of climatologists from around the world

Well, I suppose Penrose's theories are more like "consciousness is mysterious and we don't understand it, quantum mechanics is mysterious and we don't understand it - THEY MUST BE RELATED!!!" rather than any of the "WOW PEOPLE CAN CONTROL CRYSTAL GROWTH WITH THE POWER OF THEIR MINDS!!!" bs.

Funny 80s "look out for new ice age!" hysteria is often used to make contemporary warnings about global warming appear foolish or premature, but the scientific support for global warming is much stronger than it ever was for global cooling. We know warming is happening, even the most ardent sceptics (along with the politicians who have most to lose) are beginning to accept this. The only real questions that remain have to do with why it's happening, whether it's "natural", what if anything can be done at this point to halt or reverse it, and how big a role human behavior and industry have played in the change.

fuck you guys I can totally control crystal growth with the power of my mind

fuck you guys I can totally control crystal growth with the power of my enormous pituitary gland

and the help of a qualified physician you mean

Key thing about the global cooling/ice age theory was that it was a handful of papers which promoted the theory and which was then picked up and distorted by the media. Scientists have known about co2's effect on climate since the 50's and predicted global warming as early as 1967.

yeah, but ismael klata's textbook said it was coming, so who knows whos right??

Well the crystals (that our positive or negative energy influences) is the size of a few molecules so you better get a large telescope to do the mioto water crystal experiment yourself.

But anyone can do his rice experiment (negative thoughts make the jar of rice get more moldy quicker than the positve-thoughts-rice-jar)... And all the youtubes for this show positive results. Mioto's work, although seeming unbelievable, has been 10 years strong and I haven't seen any real proof that he is wrong yet.

I have two jars of rice at home, one of which is more moldy than the other. Guess which one I put the happy thoughts in? That's right, the moldy one! QEmotherfuckingD.

And all the youtubes for this show positive results.

-- CaptainLorax

Now, now, those are clearly peer-reviewed youtubes.

Anyway, global warming may well yet suddenly induce a new Ice Age (killing off Gulf Stream, etc). Klata's textbook may be right yet!

The other thing about conspiracy theories is they usually seem to suggest a much higher level of competence than people are capable of. I mean look at the obvious Bush govt messing with truth/justice, etc: this stuff is obvious and unsubtle and cack-handed. Inability to stop 9/11 attacks earlier - cack-handedness and confusion. Not heeding Pearl Harbour warnings - cack-handedness and confusion. There's no conspiracy, it's just people not that great at their jobs. Surprise surprise.

faux-incompetence is part of the conspirators plans, brah!

they be fucking sneaky

no Philadelphia experiment no credibility

http://www.unmuseum.org/philex.jpg

Trying to skim through this whole thread made me do a double take - I thought j0hn said "fuck you guys I can totally control crystal METH with the power of my mind."

wheres the conspiracy that suggests that human energy can effect the world around us (etc)? mioto water crystals

That's not a conspiracy theory, it's just stupid.

But congrats on finding the weirdest trolling point ever, Cpn Lorax.

the size of a few molecules so you better get a large telescope to do the mioto water crystal experiment yourself.

telescope

best part, I totally missed that

I can change the size of my telescope using my mind

I can change the size of my telescope using a blow dryer.

the proper execution of the mioto experiments wouldn't allow any partiality at all. to do the experiment there would have to be no confounding variables. when someone says "I can wish all day on an internet random number generator (0,1) and the results will be 50/50... the problem with that experiment is that the generator isn't pure - from being on the internet. Thats what a lot of the rice and experiments fail from. Impurity in the construct that the experimenter fails to see.

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a bird in the hand is worth two in your bush

i think CaptainLorax is talking about the conspiracy where the US government uses propaganda films like what the bleep do we know to turn us all into listless hippies with nothing better to do but stare at glasses of water all day

the ability of any of you to believe in anything extraordinary is extraordinary.

I could see a man flying past your eyes and you all would argue the physics of an illusion before thinking it was possible...

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/39512

"Things fall not because they are acted upon by some gravitational force, but because a higher intelligence, 'God' if you will, is pushing them down," said Gabriel Burdett, who holds degrees in education, applied Scripture, and physics from Oral Roberts University.

Burdett added: "Gravity—which is taught to our children as a law—is founded on great gaps in understanding. The laws predict the mutual force between all bodies of mass, but they cannot explain that force. Isaac Newton himself said, 'I suspect that my theories may all depend upon a force for which philosophers have searched all of nature in vain.' Of course, he is alluding to a higher power."

Depends. Does said man sport a red cape and spandex? (xp)

that has nothing to do with a flying man looking in your window or an alien abducting you... then you might argue in favor of the extraordinary quantum physics experiment results from people like mioto.

dude you are so fuckin high all the time

thats why i think these things possible. i'm also positive and optimistic

congrats on finding the weirdest trolling point ever, Cpn Lorax.

i think CaptainLorax is talking about the conspiracy where the US government uses propaganda films like what the bleep do we know to turn us all into listless hippies with nothing better to do but stare at glasses of water all day

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