The only thing that was disappointing about Life Aquatic for me was the animation.
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Monday, 5 April 2010 23:27 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah the animation didn't work so well for me either.
― modern eunuch-like crooning (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 5 April 2010 23:28 (fourteen years ago) link
voted rushmore, but bottle rocket is the sentimental favorite. geez now i feel like i sold myself out by voting for rushmore. i used to watch bottle rocket like 2-3 times a week for a year.
― 69, Monday, 5 April 2010 23:29 (fourteen years ago) link
is that a joke
― phantompenguin, Monday, 5 April 2010 23:46 (fourteen years ago) link
well, that's true. (that line is v. funny btw: "these are o.r. scrubs." "o.r. they?") for one thing, comedy doesn't equal jokes. i think it's a really funny movie.― by another name (amateurist), Monday, April 5, 2010 9:45 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban PermalinkIt's like you didn't understand my post at all.― kingkongvsgodzilla, Monday, April 5, 2010 12:19 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark
it's very possible. did i miss a vein of sarcasm or irony?
― by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 00:09 (fourteen years ago) link
i agree that royal tenenbaums (and life aquatic) really overdo(es) it with the pop-song cues. it's like, give me a breather between all the lyrical moments, dude. also maybe this is my own problem but i sort of cringe at emo monochrome + elliott smith suicide moment.
― by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 00:10 (fourteen years ago) link
and not cringe in the sense of being grossed out by the bloodshed (which is gross), just being embarrassed by how this super-emo segment is kind of dropped into the film. in general i feel like anderson is trying to push me around emotionally a lot in tenenbaums and aquatic, and not so much in the other films.
― by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 00:11 (fourteen years ago) link
not so much in darjeeling? seriously?
― Jesse James Woods (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 00:12 (fourteen years ago) link
maybe i just tuned that out. there is a lot of would-be emotional stuff in the flashback and in the relationship w/ the mother, i s'pose.
― by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 00:15 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah the kinks song in Darjeeling when they were walking to the funeral (in slo mo of course) made me scream
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 00:16 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't know how i feel abt that one. yeah, it's sort of cringeworthy, but it sort of works just the same.
nothing beats the montage of max's extracurricular activities scored to "making time"
― by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 00:18 (fourteen years ago) link
XP, YES
― 404s & Heartbreak (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 00:18 (fourteen years ago) link
owen wilson's bandages coming off was where i kinda tuned out a little
― Jesse James Woods (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 00:19 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ud2BywS_3U
― by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 00:19 (fourteen years ago) link
― by another name (amateurist), Monday, April 5, 2010 8:09 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark
There was a certain implication of "this incident occured way back when I was a total lunkhead and none too appreciative of more subtle humor" I guess. That may not have come through in the telling though.
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 00:20 (fourteen years ago) link
It was a good time though, and I don't regret it at all. I think we were on Demerol or something at the time too. Maybe Rushmore just wasn't a Demerol movie.
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 00:22 (fourteen years ago) link
there are some beautiful zooms in wes anderson movies
― by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 00:25 (fourteen years ago) link
virtual Rushmore-Fox tie, voted Fox cuz you won't.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 00:25 (fourteen years ago) link
The tension between Anderson's choice of British Invasion favorites and his rigorous framing is one of the more puzzling, unresolved things in his work; the music is a clear victor, I think.
― filling the medicare donut hole with the semen of liberal (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 00:27 (fourteen years ago) link
interesting. by tension do you mean the music has ecstatic energy and the framings try to contain that energy?
― by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 00:28 (fourteen years ago) link
also don't you love how in the calligraphy club shot he's writing a poster for yet another club?
One of the cliches about Anderson is his control, which is certainly true aesthetically but not in the hyperemotional performances and conceptions of the characters. What bugs me much of the time is the one-dimensionality of the performances and conceptions. It reminds me a lot (of all people!) of the improv in Cassavettes films, most of which boast a schema imposed by the director: it's great when it's hitting That Note, but obnoxious when not.
― filling the medicare donut hole with the semen of liberal (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 00:30 (fourteen years ago) link
not sure i follow re. one-dimensionality. certainly his films call for stylized acting, but i think in rushmore especially the characters have somewhat contradictory and complex traits by usual standards. at least max and herman.
― by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 00:32 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, I think so. I want to write about this in greater length. Although the music serves as counterpoint -- lots of directors do this - in Anderson movies it renders the fumbling hyperemotions of his main characters more coherently than they're capable of.
― filling the medicare donut hole with the semen of liberal (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 00:33 (fourteen years ago) link
not sure i follow re. one-dimensionality. certainly his films call for stylized acting, but i think in rushmore especially the characters have somewhat contradictory and complex traits by usual standards
But he mitigates this by forcing the audience to like Max. It's possible that I'm basing at least some of my theory on how badly some of his actors are cast. It's true that Max shows complex and contradictory traits, but Schwartzenbaum's annoying performance throws me out of the movie. I like it, but not for one moment did I sympathize with him in any conventional sense.
― filling the medicare donut hole with the semen of liberal (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 00:34 (fourteen years ago) link
I like it = the movie
― filling the medicare donut hole with the semen of liberal (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 00:35 (fourteen years ago) link
oh man, i think schwartzman owns that role. i don't really see a problem with having the audience like him. certainly we don't like many of things he does, like e.g. be an asshole to margaret yang the first few times we encounter her. although her (not entirely inexplicable, though perhaps not fully justified) affection for him is kind of another hint that he's basically a good and decent guy.
― by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 00:37 (fourteen years ago) link
anyway this is becoming a duet so i'll bow out until someone else wants to chime in
― by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 00:38 (fourteen years ago) link
Isn't his dad Matthew Farnsworth? That guy can carry likability across several generations.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 00:39 (fourteen years ago) link
he's so weird and cute (in an odd, harshly angled sort of way, esp in a beret) that I'd probably be attracted to him in prep school too.
― filling the medicare donut hole with the semen of liberal (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 00:39 (fourteen years ago) link
Max is not a good guy. He's a teenager.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 00:57 (fourteen years ago) link
never understood the love for Bottle Rocket
― kulinary gangsta (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, April 6, 2010 1:18 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark
it's the whole lovable losers aspect. plus future man is one of the greatest monikers ever created.
― ain't no thang but a chicken ㅋ (dyao), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 01:19 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, Max is often extremely unlikable.
― queen frostine (Eric H.), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 01:46 (fourteen years ago) link
all of these movies appeal 2 me deeply but i like rushmore best bcuz of the new wave & the azn gf
― f a ole schwarzwelt (Lamp), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 06:05 (fourteen years ago) link
god the azn girlfriend made me so uncomfortable
― ain't no thang but a chicken ㅋ (dyao), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 06:08 (fourteen years ago) link
have known so many of those types irl
azn gfs?
will say that w.ands perfectionist dollmaker rococo craziness was at its all time heights w/ rt ended up composing sum p incredible images storybook conceit probably helped. also kinda the most classic corny anderson music cues even better then eliot smith wrist slashing is the valiant eagle soaring 2 the strains of hey jude ~ gr8 filmmaking
― f a ole schwarzwelt (Lamp), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 06:17 (fourteen years ago) link
hater's gonna hate, i voted natalie portman's ass
― samosa gibreel, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 06:19 (fourteen years ago) link
― ain't no thang but a chicken ㅋ (dyao), Tuesday, April 6, 2010 1:08 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
why?
― by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 07:29 (fourteen years ago) link
like I said I know too many of those types IRL and may actually be one IRL
― armando white (dyao), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 07:35 (fourteen years ago) link
what type is she?
― by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 07:35 (fourteen years ago) link
overachieving azn who is pretty bland and lacks a personality/is not interesting
― armando white (dyao), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 07:38 (fourteen years ago) link
is sort of tolerated by everyone but nobody really likes her
:-(
― by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 08:19 (fourteen years ago) link
The one I think I enjoyed most was Darjeeling, but I have a tough time with Anderson films. I don't know if it's an audio issue, but I always find it difficult to concentrate on the dialogue. It seems cloudy and arrhythmic or mumbled somehow.
― village idiot (dog latin), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 09:08 (fourteen years ago) link
jesus dyao you're making me feel bad with that level of self-hatred
although her (not entirely inexplicable, though perhaps not fully justified) affection for him is kind of another hint that he's basically a good and decent guy.
well, that and wes's racist exoticism fetish HEYO
― Nhex, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 09:47 (fourteen years ago) link
haha nhex I guess I've just spent so much of my life trying to define myself against that 'type' that I'm just really sensitive about it I dunno
― armando white (dyao), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 12:23 (fourteen years ago) link
The actress who played her is now an M.D.
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 13:04 (fourteen years ago) link
Which I hope everyone here will take with a goodnatured LOL given the current discussion of stereotypes.
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 13:06 (fourteen years ago) link
She is currently in the Internal Medicine Residency program at the University of Chicago.
some people on this thread would like to get internal with her amirite
― armando white (dyao), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 13:07 (fourteen years ago) link