― di smith (lucylurex), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 09:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
Stephen Ancroid, I can't speak for all women (though I'm confident I could speak for many) but I promise I will never cut off your penis, or burst into your locker room after a big game, or have you impregnate me, so if you are one of the (some) men who hate women (and you do seem to be listing reasons for why some do, as though these are valid grounds for misogyny,) then I think it's a little unfair because an enormous number of us- probably most of us- will never go anywhere near your penis, not with a knife, nor a microphone, nor a vagina.
― estela, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 10:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
― smee (smee), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 10:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
it's upsetting because it's true.
― g-kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 11:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 11:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
I'm rather more inclined to think that this kind of thinking might explain bad reviews from women, personally.
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 18:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Oops (Oops), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 18:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
Condoms break. Not that rarely, too IME. Admittedly, chance of accident decreases, but, well, THIS REALLY SCARES ME.
― SittingPretty (sittingpretty), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 18:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dave q, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 18:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
― di smith (lucylurex), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 21:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
Arguably not a good idea in Thailand though.
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 22:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Stephen Ancroid, Thursday, 6 February 2003 03:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 6 February 2003 03:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Aaron A., Thursday, 6 February 2003 03:47 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 6 February 2003 03:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
― lizzie Mac, Thursday, 6 February 2003 05:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Stephen Ancroid, Thursday, 6 February 2003 05:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Spooler, Thursday, 6 February 2003 05:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― estela, Thursday, 6 February 2003 05:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 6 February 2003 06:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 6 February 2003 06:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
...the last 2 times people were interviewed for jobs in my bit of the company, its been expressly said, "well, you wouldnt really want a girl working here would you? i mean, if shed gone and done something youd need to go and check cuz you wouldnt trust itd been done properly".
last time we interviewed there was a girl, she was the most qualified of the 7 candidates, and the only one with hands on experience. she didnt get the job
― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 6 February 2003 07:38 (twenty-one years ago) link
― suzy (suzy), Thursday, 6 February 2003 09:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
the way most jobs work is, not who is the most skilled, but who will 'fit in' the most. this is why my team is 6 straight white males
― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 6 February 2003 10:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
I truly feel the tide has turned, and women have more rights than men!Stephen- Where are you from? This does not have to be a competition. It's about equal rights.
lizzie, Please stop shouting! :)
― Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 6 February 2003 18:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Stephen Ancroid, Thursday, 6 February 2003 20:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Brock, Thursday, 6 February 2003 20:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
Number of countries where women earn as much as men: zero. Number of women in the top 100 earning directors in the UK: zero. Number of women killed a year by their male partners in the UK: >100.
Obviously that doesn't weigh much against female reporters being allowed into male locker rooms...
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 6 February 2003 21:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
what, all women?
i guess all guys like baseball too? gee, how about those knicks!
― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 6 February 2003 22:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 February 2003 22:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
Stephen Ancroid, I wasn't joking, I was too irritable to be making jokes. Why don't you haul your Thai penis-severing "epidemic" over to the 'Make a bold claim' thread? To imply that Thailand is in the grips of extreme feminism, when the truth is that many Thai women and children are living lives of sexual enslavement, is patently ridiculous.
I don't care too much about the great locker room scandal. I see it as pre- rather than post-feminist, with the discrepancy based in the idea that men are seeing subjects and women are looked-upon objects. A subject would not be diminished by an object, therefore there could be no loss of power for a naked man who was confronted by a women, but the reverse would not be true. I think women would like to have the freedom to walk around freely in their bodies without being harrassed and objectified. It is sort of a cheek for men to complain about this issue.
I agree there are problems with family law, but I do think women, notable exceptions aside, still bear the main brunt of child-rearing and the law is trying to equitably address this (although indisputably failing in some instances). More women are living in poverty due to parenthood than men.
Finally, I don't think hatred between men and women solves any of these problems. I take issue with you coming on to a thread titled "Why do (some) men hate women" and raising these dubious points, the inference being that they justify misogyny.
― estela, Thursday, 6 February 2003 22:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
― DJ, Friday, 7 February 2003 00:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 7 February 2003 00:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 7 February 2003 02:50 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ralfus, Friday, 7 February 2003 21:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 7 February 2003 21:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ralfus, Saturday, 8 February 2003 01:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Heather L, Saturday, 8 February 2003 03:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
With what form of sexual violence should abusive women be punished, then?
― Phil (phil), Saturday, 8 February 2003 04:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Irv, Saturday, 8 February 2003 04:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
I think the angle of Heather's statment might be along the lines of "if thy hand offends thee cut it off." (or something)
When a man uses his penis as a weapon to assault others many people (not just victims) have a primal urge to deprive him of this weapon. Have you never, at any time or on any level, thought of hurting a child rapist?
However one of the things that makes our system of government great is that we have a judicial system that, ideally, acts objectively and keeps the rights of even the accused in mind. If victims and their loved ones were allowed to mete out justice there would be a lot of hobbled assholes walking around this world.
― That Girl (thatgirl), Saturday, 8 February 2003 04:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Phil (phil), Saturday, 8 February 2003 05:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Phil (phil), Saturday, 8 February 2003 05:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
And also b/c ILx is a passel of irreverant, tasteless, incorrigable cockfarmers.
need i say more?
― That Girl (thatgirl), Saturday, 8 February 2003 05:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Phil (phil), Saturday, 8 February 2003 05:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Phil (phil), Saturday, 8 February 2003 06:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― That Girl (thatgirl), Saturday, 8 February 2003 06:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
I barely know who Phil Donahue is - an American talk show host, yes? Is he a feminist?
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 8 February 2003 12:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Phil (phil), Saturday, 8 February 2003 15:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 8 February 2003 16:10 (twenty-one years ago) link