Rank Brian DePalma's Films

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Armond's taught me that I'd rather be nuts than dull.

I'm incredibly flattered to be used in that NYT article, Morbs, but I think it's amusing he picked one of the most stilted things I wrote in that feature. Only the Casualties of War review was more dour than those excerpts.

No matter, my parents are thrilled all the same.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 18 September 2006 17:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Armond's taught me that I'd rather be nuts than dull.

To the extent that I actually don't understand the intellectual value of "objective" film criticism. To the extent that it is supposed to be fun and to give you someone else's point of view.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 18 September 2006 17:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, by focusing on your dourest defenses, AO Scott has cast you as Obi-wan Kenobi to Armond's Qui-Gon.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 September 2006 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link

"Armond's taught me that I'd rather be nuts than dull."

I'd rather be neither, frankly.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 18 September 2006 19:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, that's why I clarified it a bit. Most critics worth reading fall into one of those two categories, imo.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 18 September 2006 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link

"She looks like that dead girl!" isn't really very funny at all.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 30 September 2006 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link

"She looks like that dead girl!" isn't really very funny at all.

Whenever that line was used, I kept thinking "Snake Plissken, I thought you were dead..."

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 30 September 2006 21:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Everything Fiona Shaw and that assistant DA said was way funnier.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 30 September 2006 21:17 (seventeen years ago) link

""She looks like that dead girl!" isn't really very funny at all."

We couldn't be more different.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 30 September 2006 22:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Fiona Shaw was pretty funny though.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 30 September 2006 22:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, hey, you started this thread. So we can't be that different.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 30 September 2006 22:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I think humor may be what this film most lacked and needed.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 30 September 2006 22:37 (seventeen years ago) link

A different script and better actors also couldn't have hurt.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 30 September 2006 22:41 (seventeen years ago) link

A different director, too. It pains me to say this, but this material did not suit De Palma. If Fincher had directed it, I could've seen it, shrugged it off and never looked back. Now I'm left with half a movie that I really like and half a movie that I wish I could dismiss.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 30 September 2006 22:42 (seventeen years ago) link

But I think I can still retain the "completely nuts" tag, as the stuff I liked was still enough for me to call it one of the better movies I've seen this year.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 30 September 2006 22:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I hate it when I like a movie and still wish it hadn't been made.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 30 September 2006 22:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Well on my list above it would fall about 16 and it was one of the worst films I saw this year so I'm back to thinking we couldn't be more different haha.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 30 September 2006 22:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, you're probably right. People who claim to like De Palma but rank The Untouchables over Femme Fatale ... does not compute.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 30 September 2006 22:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I haven't updated my rankings. Might as well since I'm here.

Still unseen: Murder a la Mod, Get To Know Your Rabbit, Home Movies, Wise Guys

The Fury
Femme Fatale
Carrie
Dressed to Kill
Hi, Mom!
Body Double
Casualties of War
Carlito's Way
Mission to Mars
Raising Cain
Sisters
Phantom of the Paradise
Blow Out
Greetings
The Black Dahlia
Dionysus
Mission: Impossible
Snake Eyes
The Wedding Party
Scarface
The Bonfire of the Vanities
The Untouchables

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 30 September 2006 22:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not sure why Femme Fatale is higher than Snake Eyes on my list actually. But yeah I thought it was pretty stupid film whereas The Untouchables is a just a nice solid gangster film to me. In retrospect, Wiseguys is probably a film I like better than The Untouchables while Snakes Eyes and Carlito's Way are probably better than Femme Fatale, but really who cares. Depalma's a filmmaker I am never bored by but whose films for the most part tend to only be good in moments and complete messes as whole pieces. But if you watch films for magical moments then I can see why he'd be your director. He has a lot of them and they really do impress.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 30 September 2006 23:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Magical moments. You make it sound as though I watch movies like Corky St. Clair.

Well, maybe I do. A lot of my favorite movies are less than 10 minutes long, but I don't take issue with films' inability to sustain for two hours or more, otherwise I wouldn't be interested in movies, much less list A Grin without a Cat as one of my very favorites.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 30 September 2006 23:28 (seventeen years ago) link

More Untouchables hate here.

Ruud Comes to Haarvest (Ken L), Saturday, 30 September 2006 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link

And here.

Ruud Comes to Haarvest (Ken L), Saturday, 30 September 2006 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Garcia was my favorite Untouchable.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 1 October 2006 00:21 (seventeen years ago) link

updated!

Dressed To Kill
Blow Out
Casualties Of War
The Fury
Carrie
The Wedding Party
Femme Fatale
Hi, Mom!
Phantom Of The Paradise
The Untouchables
Snake Eyes
Mission: Impossible
Sisters
Carlito's Way
Greetings
Body Double
Scarface
Black Dahlia
Raising Cain
Mission To Mars
Bonfire Of The Vanities

(I'm probably buying Home Movies next month, too)

Zwan (miccio), Sunday, 1 October 2006 01:07 (seventeen years ago) link

i think you might be overrating 'the black dahlia'!

gear (gear), Sunday, 1 October 2006 01:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Is that long, slo-mo, narrative momentum-killing Amy Irving escape sequence in The Fury a "magical moment"?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 1 October 2006 17:29 (seventeen years ago) link

You not deliberately goading me would be a magical moment, though perhaps not as believable.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 1 October 2006 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Garcia was my favorite Untouchable

I just rescreened Internal Affairs. He's so much more interesting when not called upon to "act."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 2 October 2006 00:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Dude's performance in 8 Million Ways To Die is more Scarface than Scarface.

Zwan (miccio), Monday, 2 October 2006 03:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I woulda dropped the goading if you hadn't called Sidney Poitier a terrible actor.

Alex, what exactly is so "awful" about the climax of Femme Fatale? It's ludicrous and funny in exactly the appropriate way, just as many of Hitchcock's or Cronenberg's are.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 October 2006 12:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Well Cronenberg maybe--Hitchcock would have handled it differently and better. I mostly thought it was ludicrous and stupid. Maybe I wasn't in the right mood though.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 2 October 2006 13:51 (seventeen years ago) link

"Ludicrous and funny" describe just about every climax Hitchcock and De Palma have ever filmed.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 2 October 2006 14:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe Sidney Poitier was just miscast his entire career. He may have been more effective in John Waters films.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 2 October 2006 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Sidney Poitier was boring, not terrible.

Maybe Sidney Poitier was just miscast his entire career.

Remember that remark of Pauline Kael's about Meryl Streep -- that she's made a career out of being miscast?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 2 October 2006 17:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Clever, not accurate. (ie Kael in a nutshell)

I just got that anthology of US film critics from the library, and skimmed the long famous P.K. essay "Trash, Art and the Movies" or whatever the hell it's called... and given the way she makes clear that the "trash" she finds pleasurable (eg, The Thomas Crown Affair and Wild in the Streets) is NOT ART, it's amazing she could consider De Palma an artist, rather than a giddy trashmaker. (Oh, also "not art": 2001.)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 October 2006 18:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Clever, not accurate. (ie Kael in a nutshell)

otm

gear (gear), Monday, 2 October 2006 18:04 (seventeen years ago) link

It's pretty clear, Morbs, that only Blow Out and Casualties of War qualify on the Kael-o-meter as art. Despite her love for Dressed to Kill, she acknowledged that it was "just" marvelous entertaiment.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 2 October 2006 20:06 (seventeen years ago) link

There is no such thing as "accuracy" in film criticism.

Poitier's status as an icon for his times is fine with me, even worth celebrating. But he was an awful actor. (Indeed, I'm surprised I don't like him more because of it.)

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 2 October 2006 20:37 (seventeen years ago) link

He had a sexual aggression in No Way Out which he sadly never pursued again.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 2 October 2006 20:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I dunno. I thought Richard Widmark was way randier in that one.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 2 October 2006 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link

If you'd said Pickup on South Street, count me in the menage.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 2 October 2006 20:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Separating "marvelous entertainment" from "art" is inaccurate (as is making shit up about the genesis of Citizen Kane). But I'll have more to say on that elsewhere...

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 13:14 (seventeen years ago) link

"elsewhere"?

For all her perception the collaborative and serendipitous nature of film, plus the inevitable compromises, repelled her, and why she was given to creating these polarities. I'd be uncomfortable comparing Citizen Kane directly with any modernist novel, but she couldn't accept the picture as anything other than an extremely well-acted and shot newspaper comedy a la Ben Hecht.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 13:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, we're kinda getting away from BdP here, and I wouldn't even go so far as labeling PK as De Palma's "kingmaker." (ie, it's not entirely her fault ppl should be talking about Philip Kaufman and Paul Mazursky more than BdP.) "Raising Kane" sorta reminds me of Marc Antony's funeral oration: "It's a SHALLOW masterpiece -- but Orson is an honorable man..."

Once baseball is over I want to get to Casualties of War, Body Double and maybe Obsession.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 14:10 (seventeen years ago) link

the Black Dahlia is one of the very worst films I have ever seen at the cinema

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Monday, 9 October 2006 21:21 (seventeen years ago) link

i just actualy saw dressed to kill the other night for the first time, it's great!

latebloomer: just raw dead fucking, babies! (latebloomer), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 02:05 (seventeen years ago) link

four years pass...

wish this thread would've continued...

circa1916, Thursday, 24 March 2011 07:24 (thirteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Watched Dressed to Kill last night -- there's an awful lot to like about it, but that Pino Donaggio score is nails-on-blackboard horrible, imo.

330,003 Luftballons (WilliamC), Tuesday, 4 February 2014 15:09 (ten years ago) link

That's cool.

Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Tuesday, 4 February 2014 15:10 (ten years ago) link


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