New Apple Lust Objects for 2010 and onward

on matters of taste, he has reliably terrible conservative yuppie ones. wouldn't bother me so much if he wasn't seen as a technical design guru with a typography background. he's a perl coder (taste!) with a copy of strunk and white and a stanley kubrick box set.

he has reliably terrible conservative yuppie ones

what do you mean?

Did you guys ever see where people were calling him out on his complete inability to maintain his Markdown plugin? The main version had "unpublished" fixes that he stuck elsewhere, there's no community management of it despite the syntax being in a lot of places, etc.

conservative tech design yuppie with his background is consistent with perl, strunk & white, and kubrick imo

this is narcissism of small differences that i don't want to encourage in myself, but the post on the front page about the 100$ bill redesign is a good example. also: yankees fan.

conservative tech design yuppie with his background is consistent with perl, strunk & white, and kubrick imo

― mh, Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:16 PM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah, totally. it's how he's perceived by up and coming apple stans that bothers me. they should be more like me.

sanctimoniousfireball.com hope he reads his referrers.

I like him generally, but it's a lot of "hah, told you so" comments refuting stupid analysts that dare to short Apple, calling people out for some perceived slights, and a few other glitches that make me think he's nothing more than an unofficial mouthpiece for part of Apple's business.

ffs, Apple employees reference his comments on Flash stuff

i had no idea there was an actual hierarchy of apple stans!

i have no idea what you guys are talking about except at some point perl was mentioned and perl is totally awesome :D

Yeah, but he has only that expertise because he migrated from beardy web dude to Appley tech pundit and hasn't touched actual programming for years.

perl: people with no taste
ruby: assholes
python: fine
gruber on objc, cocoa, next, osx internals: lolz

wtf perl is the coolest language ever. i don't know what any of those others are tho. lol hardware engineer

if you're a hardware engineer, then you probably don't consider any of these "actual programming"

he drops in little references to his personal style guide, like "Daring Fireball changed from 'Web site' to 'website' last October". Or when he stopped writing "Internet". Two things about that: (i) he does not need a style guide, he writes a blog (ii) all his style choices are those weirdly pretentious AP/NYT ones, like he's writing tech documentation at IBM or something.

kubrick ugh

isn't 'osx internals' just 'unix' ?! *runs*

on matters of taste, he has reliably terrible conservative yuppie ones. wouldn't bother me so much if he wasn't seen as a technical design guru with a typography background. he's a perl coder (taste!) with a copy of strunk and white and a stanley kubrick box set.

The effect on the fanboy army is worse. You'd think Helvetica was the only font.

i think DF is generally really, really great -- i don't really read many other tech blogs regularly, but i appreciate the writing & insight on his

feel for you, son

is there an equivalent PC fanboy community out there?

READ YOUR BLOGS

loooool

re: Helvetica, I thought Kubrick was a Futura man? Wes Anderson sure is.

gruber doesn't use helvetica, tbf, but he doesn't criticize its misuse by apple

how do you misuse helvetica? bad kerning or something?

you use it on an iphone

always love it when i discover new levels of aesthetic fastidiousness. what am i missing here - why is helvetica bad on the iphone?

they should have used espi sans instead?

^^ but Gruber's been all over Helvetica in the past for sure. Think the original iPhone review had boke-worthy bits about how "elegant" it all looked because it was in Helvetica.

Xp

helvetica has measurably poorer legibility at small sizes on displays at current resolution (even iphone resolution) than custom-designed screen fonts.

they should have paid the profit they make in ten seconds to get someone to make an italic lucida grande, and used that

Think the original iPhone review had boke-worthy bits about how "elegant" it all looked because it was in Helvetica.

i guess it does look elegant compared to OS X, and if your stock in trade is poring over apple runes it's an interesting decision. it's a terrible decision though.

Xposts otm. Even Geneva would've been better for the tiny text. Lucida ideal. Am hoping for new fonts w/iPhone HD.

Shit font choices on iBooks too.

like this dude says, style over substance: http://fontfeed.com/archives/ipad-typography/. apple does not deserve that criticism as often as windows people would make out in the 90s, when it used to be the narrative about apple, but helvetica as the system font on iphone, and the time machine UI are examples for all time.

That link is great. Dead right about the iBooks fonts and settings, and Helvetica in the UI.

found it via http://blog.fawny.org/2010/04/12/appletype/, which is another great rant

ok that fontfeed link was really helpful. think the lack of hyphenation is going to be worse for readability that the font choices though, especially since ibooks is going to be on the iphone. they should just buy out the guy who made the eucalyptus app.

"Even Geneva would've been better for the tiny text. Lucida ideal."
Are there mockups? I'm not feeling the lucida.

it's the system font on OS X, yeah. or do you mean iphone/pad mockups?

for iphone. helvetica bold seems fine to me. only looks weird for large things like the clock.

there are so many fonts which are better than fine for this purpose.

I'd bet the few fonts I would like better might be less everyone's cup of tea than helvetica.
what y'all think of espi sans?

http://www.kaleidoscope.net/greg/images/WithAL.gif

yuck!

kinda glad you posted that link just because i wasn't sure what the term was for "full justification", i really always hate seeing that - the bad kind of form over function

Chicago > Charcoal > Espy Sans

any cambridge based software engineers want a free ipad?
http://www.red-gate.com/careers/free_ipad.htm

so apparently the new camera connector kit acts as a pseudo-USB port. most exciting is that it apparently supports usb audio.

Where do we go to make fun of the gizmodo dude getting a visit from the cops

the worst consequence of this is the feeling of smugness that this is going to give gawker, a bunch of nerds going "see we got busted by the cops, told you we're legit, we're doing serious journalism here"

yeah because if theres one thing you couldnt find on gawker media sites before now, it was smugness

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