New Apple Lust Objects for 2010 and onward

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if you're a hardware engineer, then you probably don't consider any of these "actual programming"

mh, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:28 (fourteen years ago) link

he drops in little references to his personal style guide, like "Daring Fireball changed from 'Web site' to 'website' last October". Or when he stopped writing "Internet". Two things about that: (i) he does not need a style guide, he writes a blog (ii) all his style choices are those weirdly pretentious AP/NYT ones, like he's writing tech documentation at IBM or something.

caek, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:28 (fourteen years ago) link

kubrick ugh

Steve Sharta (cozen), Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:29 (fourteen years ago) link

isn't 'osx internals' just 'unix' ?! *runs*

pollos da don (tpp), Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:31 (fourteen years ago) link

on matters of taste, he has reliably terrible conservative yuppie ones. wouldn't bother me so much if he wasn't seen as a technical design guru with a typography background. he's a perl coder (taste!) with a copy of strunk and white and a stanley kubrick box set.

The effect on the fanboy army is worse. You'd think Helvetica was the only font.

stet, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:33 (fourteen years ago) link

i think DF is generally really, really great -- i don't really read many other tech blogs regularly, but i appreciate the writing & insight on his

ksh, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:34 (fourteen years ago) link

feel for you, son

caek, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:34 (fourteen years ago) link

is there an equivalent PC fanboy community out there?

ksh, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:34 (fourteen years ago) link

READ YOUR BLOGS

caek, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:34 (fourteen years ago) link

loooool

ksh, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:34 (fourteen years ago) link

re: Helvetica, I thought Kubrick was a Futura man? Wes Anderson sure is.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:35 (fourteen years ago) link

gruber doesn't use helvetica, tbf, but he doesn't criticize its misuse by apple

caek, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:36 (fourteen years ago) link

how do you misuse helvetica? bad kerning or something?

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:37 (fourteen years ago) link

you use it on an iphone

caek, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:37 (fourteen years ago) link

always love it when i discover new levels of aesthetic fastidiousness. what am i missing here - why is helvetica bad on the iphone?

joe, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:40 (fourteen years ago) link

they should have used espi sans instead?

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link

^^ but Gruber's been all over Helvetica in the past for sure. Think the original iPhone review had boke-worthy bits about how "elegant" it all looked because it was in Helvetica.

Xp

stet, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link

helvetica has measurably poorer legibility at small sizes on displays at current resolution (even iphone resolution) than custom-designed screen fonts.

caek, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link

they should have paid the profit they make in ten seconds to get someone to make an italic lucida grande, and used that

caek, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Think the original iPhone review had boke-worthy bits about how "elegant" it all looked because it was in Helvetica.

i guess it does look elegant compared to OS X, and if your stock in trade is poring over apple runes it's an interesting decision. it's a terrible decision though.

caek, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Xposts otm. Even Geneva would've been better for the tiny text. Lucida ideal. Am hoping for new fonts w/iPhone HD.

Shit font choices on iBooks too.

stet, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:50 (fourteen years ago) link

like this dude says, style over substance: http://fontfeed.com/archives/ipad-typography/. apple does not deserve that criticism as often as windows people would make out in the 90s, when it used to be the narrative about apple, but helvetica as the system font on iphone, and the time machine UI are examples for all time.

caek, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:51 (fourteen years ago) link

That link is great. Dead right about the iBooks fonts and settings, and Helvetica in the UI.

stet, Thursday, 22 April 2010 21:56 (fourteen years ago) link

found it via http://blog.fawny.org/2010/04/12/appletype/, which is another great rant

caek, Thursday, 22 April 2010 22:01 (fourteen years ago) link

ok that fontfeed link was really helpful. think the lack of hyphenation is going to be worse for readability that the font choices though, especially since ibooks is going to be on the iphone. they should just buy out the guy who made the eucalyptus app.

joe, Thursday, 22 April 2010 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link

"Even Geneva would've been better for the tiny text. Lucida ideal."
Are there mockups? I'm not feeling the lucida.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 22 April 2010 22:08 (fourteen years ago) link

it's the system font on OS X, yeah. or do you mean iphone/pad mockups?

caek, Thursday, 22 April 2010 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link

for iphone. helvetica bold seems fine to me. only looks weird for large things like the clock.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 22 April 2010 22:14 (fourteen years ago) link

there are so many fonts which are better than fine for this purpose.

caek, Thursday, 22 April 2010 22:18 (fourteen years ago) link

I'd bet the few fonts I would like better might be less everyone's cup of tea than helvetica.
what y'all think of espi sans?

http://www.kaleidoscope.net/greg/images/WithAL.gif

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 22 April 2010 22:28 (fourteen years ago) link

yuck!

kinda glad you posted that link just because i wasn't sure what the term was for "full justification", i really always hate seeing that - the bad kind of form over function

Nhex, Thursday, 22 April 2010 22:52 (fourteen years ago) link

Chicago > Charcoal > Espy Sans

stet, Thursday, 22 April 2010 23:28 (fourteen years ago) link

any cambridge based software engineers want a free ipad?
http://www.red-gate.com/careers/free_ipad.htm

Steve Sharta (cozen), Friday, 23 April 2010 12:12 (fourteen years ago) link

so apparently the new camera connector kit acts as a pseudo-USB port. most exciting is that it apparently supports usb audio.

dyªº (dyao), Sunday, 25 April 2010 14:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Where do we go to make fun of the gizmodo dude getting a visit from the cops

mayor jingleberries, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 01:52 (fourteen years ago) link

the worst consequence of this is the feeling of smugness that this is going to give gawker, a bunch of nerds going "see we got busted by the cops, told you we're legit, we're doing serious journalism here"

⚡ You vike this. (dyao), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 01:59 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah because if theres one thing you couldnt find on gawker media sites before now, it was smugness

max, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 03:18 (fourteen years ago) link

:}

⚡ You vike this. (dyao), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 03:39 (fourteen years ago) link

lol

Nhex, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 03:49 (fourteen years ago) link

smugness aside and all, that raid seems like pure bullshit.

akm, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 06:26 (fourteen years ago) link

probably gruber called it in

cozen, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 06:29 (fourteen years ago) link

he is getting more tiresome by the day about this

Nhex, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 06:46 (fourteen years ago) link

The agents who searched Chen's home were from REACT; Apple sits on their steering committee.

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 08:15 (fourteen years ago) link

xp, seriously. His "show me the case law" in response to the EFF.

caek, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 08:34 (fourteen years ago) link

react website is like snowcrash scary

kill whiney (cutty), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 14:17 (fourteen years ago) link

man I don't know which dog to pick in this fight, on one hand I don't want gruber et. al to get any more sanctimonious but on the other hand I really wanna see gawker get dinged

Oh boy, sleep! That's where I'm a ILXing! (dyao), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 14:21 (fourteen years ago) link

I like how the REACT site uses a Star Trek font. I wonder if they paid for it.

Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 18:40 (fourteen years ago) link

i hate apple but i need a new mac just the same. help a not-computer-savvy brother out.

which are the new processors that they're putting in some of the macbook pros? does it make a difference whether it has an intel core i5 or i7?

also--these things don't come with VGA dongles anymore? i need to buy one of those? wtf.

by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 29 April 2010 01:57 (fourteen years ago) link

also--anyone have the hi-res screen? any problems w/ it?

by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 29 April 2010 01:59 (fourteen years ago) link

I just got the i5 15 w/ hi-res antiglare.

conventional wisdom says i7 is not worth it. Save your money and put it towards ram, and/or buy an SSD in a year. That's my plan...in a year or two I'll double the ram, then a year after that I'll get an SSD when they're cheap(er).

Hi-res screen is fine...some people complain fonts are too small. I haven't used it that much. When surfing the web I'm more inclined to increase the fonts in safari when it's on my lap, but doesn't seem a problem at a more normal distance.

For me the trade-off is palettes. I can use every bit of space I can get for InDesign and Digital Performer.

dan selzer, Thursday, 29 April 2010 02:21 (fourteen years ago) link


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