that thing white ppl do when they disparage 'white ppl'

you know you are a white person when you post to ilx

i'm inuit btw

bernie you were right in saying that americans would be well-served to focus on issues of class and not race, but until there can be a greater degree of separation between the two, what difference does even it make? until such time as it does happen, whites don't necessarily need to feel guilty about white privilege but what they DO need to do, and what guilt can be a very effective albeit prob unhealthy catalyst for, is spending a tenth of the time they devote to being cute about it on the internet to attempting to enact some sort of tangible change promoting diversity and social justice through opportunities for the more vulnerable classes/races, such as signing the dream act petition

I forgot this was a poll.

which type of white ppl are we talking about again?

the european ones

they are pinkish yellow and they disparage other pinkish yellow people

alright I gotta go smoke weed and do dishes but before I leave I just want to say: my use of the word "harmless" upthread was very deliberate, and meant to convey that "that thing" entails very little risk for the white ppl who engage in it, because it's basically masturbation

xp dude I signed the dream act petition already, chill!

if you are inuit in the kitchen, pakistani in the bedroom, and peruvian in the living room, what are you in the bathroom?

I was #29,044 to sign that petition

sweet thanks

You may say that iiiijjjj's a dreamer
But iiiijjjj's not the only one

haha sorry, didn't mean to seem so defensive -- I really do appreciate your persistent nagging throughout this thread, and I hope it's gotten more people than just me and hi dere to sign

white basketball players amirite

farts

"Larry the Cable Guy or Jeff Foxworthy or whatever = sympathetic mockery of traits presumably shared by audience and performer"

Jeff Foxworthy was some white collar middle-management telecom engineer before mustaching up. Similar story with "Larry"
These dudes are definitely slumming.

^ classist

i wld nvr disparage white ppl

i believe in and admire the accomplishments of white culture

like this episode of supernatural i just watched 1 of the bros - dean - he str8 fukken bones an angel

the angel was white

man what a gr8 show

plenty of reasonable points in the thread and i understand the objections and reservations, but...

when i was involved in various discussions (with mostly white american people) about obama during the '08 campaign, i made plenty of comments like, "talking about race just freaks white people right the fuck out," which i think were intended and understood not as literal statements (not all white people, obv) or as reductionist by exclusion (white people are not the only people who get freaked out in talking about race), but were still i think more or less fair statements. to say that talking about race freaks out white americans is a shorthand way of acknowledging the degree to which white americans have been historically able to dance around the subject in all the ways and for all the reasons i think we all know. and speaking as a white american with a fair amount of experience observing and engaging other white americans on the subject of race, it's the kind of generalization i feel comfortable making.

like someone said at the beginning of the thread, i think it's more healthy than not for "white people" to talk about "white people," because it is a move away from the sense of whiteness as a racial/cultural default. of course there are a lot of problems wrapped up in it, but that's true of talking about "race" in any context. every statement from anyone on racial issues comes loaded with pages of footnotes and caveats that yr reasonably aware person will provide without needing them spelled out. (of course, when you're not talking to "reasonably aware" people, you need to actually state all those footnotes and caveats, and really you're better off just skipping the conversation entirely because you're going to end up spending 45 minutes talking about why black people can say n---er "but we can't.")

the angel was white

aren't they all ;) btw

1 of the angels is bunnie colvin from the wire hes a jerk tho

dk if thats a race thing mb hes just frustrated cuz no1 is bonen him...

Wait, are we really saying that white people can't say "nigger" if they're talking about the word "nigger," or just that they shouldn't call people niggers for whatever reason, good or bad?

To tipsy, I mean.

o yeah i seen one of those eps w/ bunny

That is cryptic but more in form.

vg abambf iidrc

very good and bam's buttfuck if i don't recall correctly

like someone said at the beginning of the thread, i think it's more healthy than not for "white people" to talk about "white people," because it is a move away from the sense of whiteness as a racial/cultural default

I think this is the best argument in favor - that this type of speech complicates the usual safe status of "whiteness" as the default or invisible category. However, my argument against is basically that it doesn't really open up any useful conversation, instead it usually acts as a conversational dead end - everyone laughs, "white people lol", and then it drops, because it's hard to go much further on the basis of generalizations about race which are pretty rickety to begin with.

bamcquern who did you like better on Roc, Ton Lōc or Heavy D?

Only remember Charles Dutton.

Also big ups on your ō.

i most commonly use "whiteness" to disparage people who are emotionally or sexually repressed, who aspire to or inhabit a suburban mainstream nuclear-family lifestyle, and who are unaware of their own white privilege. all of things happen to describe my immediate family, who are all white btw.

i'm not about to take a survey but i don't think everyone who uses "white" to disparage white ppl is referring to the same set of connotations. like, i know i'm not blowing anybody's mind with that statement but for me "whiteness" involves my own identity in re: to my family.

fwiw i self apply "white" in a disparaging way sometimes too.

this is v. amerocentric but is this right?

"white ppl" is the racialisation of a set of qualities and privileges by the ppl who have them. they are usually things like that are related to "going to college" or "being financially comfortable" and since this correlates w/ an actual racial inequality wrt these things, and since this is pretty problematic, it is easy to link whiteness itself w/ a set of charactrstcs that justify the inequality by naturalising it. it also, by labeling "white" characteristics as uncool, tries to downplay the desirability of thos adv. as a way of internalising guilty. (?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU9W7Qo1T6M

to be really honest tho i kinda conflate the "whiteness" and "straightness" in this sense but again that's probably just me

kinda assumes non-whites are really exotic non-repressed ppl who always express their emotions and stuff

exotic is not what i meant there oops, but i mean not normal and boring

i think plax would really like this book
http://www.newsfromnowhere.org.uk/img/books/1844671453.jpg

wait i can get paid for being white?

haha, yes, def. wanna read some roediger!

Plax, I think that post above is well-put and insightful.

kinda assumes non-whites are really exotic non-repressed ppl who always express their emotions and stuff

this assumption seems very OTM if most of my interactions with white ppl and how they expect me to be are to be believed

A lot of time the distancing/disparaging of certain privileges is a safe way of perpetuating them by resisting them with empty resistance. (This is a huge neoliberal trope across the board tho, where things like subversion/resistance/etc are ways of promoting neoliberalism. we trade real resistance for humor/bitching/etc. At least, as far as I understand it, this is Zizek's position on contemporary liberalism.)

i realize that harbl but for me, the white = repressed identification has as much to do with coming from a family / community of emotionally closed-off yankee folks -- i'll admit that it characterizes non-whites as "expressive" or whatever but otoh i don't associate expressiveness with any particular ethnicity or race.

well, maybe italians. they're pretty expressive, right?