― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 7 March 2004 05:42 (twenty years ago) link
No. I'm my mom's. Why didn't she just stay in Maryland?
― Aja (aja), Sunday, 7 March 2004 05:44 (twenty years ago) link
defend williams: it's so fun and i really like it and it keeps me from having to do work that actually involves supporting myself financially.
― Maria (Maria), Sunday, 7 March 2004 06:53 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 7 March 2004 06:58 (twenty years ago) link
How dare you mention Berkeley!! And you totally omit STANFURD!! BIZARRE. OMG WTF LOL
― Leee the Lee (Leee), Sunday, 7 March 2004 07:01 (twenty years ago) link
No. I'm my mom's.
That Johns Hopkins, he's such a masher!
― Leee the Lee (Leee), Sunday, 7 March 2004 07:03 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 7 March 2004 07:04 (twenty years ago) link
i also exempt maria from extermination :-)
james, this is SO yer thread!! shall we also add Emory to the shitlist?
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 7 March 2004 07:05 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 7 March 2004 07:10 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 7 March 2004 07:11 (twenty years ago) link
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 7 March 2004 07:11 (twenty years ago) link
― Leee the Lee (Leee), Sunday, 7 March 2004 07:31 (twenty years ago) link
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 7 March 2004 07:35 (twenty years ago) link
There, I met people who were really fucking rich and people who were way poorer than my family ever was--even my mom's family, and she grew up in the Mission Projects in San Francisco with gangs and shit. At Harvard I met people who didn't look like me or talk like me for pretty much the first time, and danced and drank with them and kissed them when they let me. We protested for living wages and we got Harvard to divest from South Africa by building a shantytown in the middle of the yard and inviting Jesse Jackson to come rip it up in front of the dean. I worked my ass off there, too, and met a lot of good friends, and married one of them. And we don't sit around swilling cognac and sneering at anyone else's diplomas; ours are in the basement or something, unframed, just pieces of paper.
I don't think that going to Harvard was the greatest damned thing I ever did in this world, and I know people who are doing a shitload better than I ever will who did NOT go to a big fancy-sounding school. And yeah, the shit ain't perfect. But come on.
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Sunday, 7 March 2004 07:44 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 7 March 2004 07:49 (twenty years ago) link
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Sunday, 7 March 2004 07:51 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 7 March 2004 07:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Sunday, 7 March 2004 07:56 (twenty years ago) link
shortest, gladdest, most expensive years of life...
― Skottie, Sunday, 7 March 2004 08:49 (twenty years ago) link
― Ivy King, Sunday, 7 March 2004 08:59 (twenty years ago) link
Ah, the advantage is to watch silly little "plebes" start whole threads discussing how much they shouldn't care about it.
no, the purpose was to discuss why us "silly little plebes" should not BURN DOWN every ivy league school and exterminate every ivy leaguer (except for those specifically allowed to live).
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 7 March 2004 09:03 (twenty years ago) link
― Skottie, Sunday, 7 March 2004 09:11 (twenty years ago) link
― Skottie, Sunday, 7 March 2004 09:13 (twenty years ago) link
they don't already?
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 7 March 2004 09:13 (twenty years ago) link
― Skottie, Sunday, 7 March 2004 09:15 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 7 March 2004 10:39 (twenty years ago) link
― Mediawhore, Sunday, 7 March 2004 11:45 (twenty years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 7 March 2004 12:07 (twenty years ago) link
― Colin Meeder (Mert), Sunday, 7 March 2004 12:39 (twenty years ago) link
I think you are forgetting "other Ivy League undergraduates". DO NOT SLEEP ON THE INTERSCHOOL RIVALRIES.
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 7 March 2004 13:11 (twenty years ago) link
Hail to thee old ivy leaguePoison ivy leagueThe ra-ra boys are sitting round the table tonightThe ra-ra boys have lots of plans in viewThey're gonna have panty raidsAnd make their own lemonadeThey'll live it up just like the big boys do
Poison ivy league, boys in that ivy leagueGive me an itch, those sons of the richThat poison ivy league
The ra-ra boys will go to bed so early tonightBefore exams they need a lot of restThey gotta make good for dadThey gotta make good so badThey'll even pay someone to take that test
Poison ivy league, boys in that ivy leagueHow can they flunk, they're so full of bunkThat poison ivy league
The ra-ra boys are being groomed for business some dayFor better things to college they were sentAnd you can bet they'll be the head of the companyAs long as dear old daddy's president
Poison ivy league, boys in that ivy leagueSo loaded with cash, they give me a rashThat poison ivy league
So let it be toldI won't touch them with a ten foot poleThat poison Ivy league
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 7 March 2004 13:30 (twenty years ago) link
― teeny (teeny), Sunday, 7 March 2004 15:00 (twenty years ago) link
Hahahaha... er.. that's almost true.
Nobody hates Ivy League undergrads more than Ivy League grad students who applied to, but couldn't get intoafford, Ivy League schools as undergraduates.
― daria g (daria g), Sunday, 7 March 2004 15:20 (twenty years ago) link
I love how Tad thinks my wife and I should die. That's so adorable!
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Sunday, 7 March 2004 15:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 7 March 2004 15:57 (twenty years ago) link
"Oh, do you play football?""No, I just think it's important."
Thank god for the ivy league.
― Skottie, Sunday, 7 March 2004 16:00 (twenty years ago) link
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Sunday, 7 March 2004 16:01 (twenty years ago) link
― Skottie, Sunday, 7 March 2004 16:17 (twenty years ago) link
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Sunday, 7 March 2004 16:21 (twenty years ago) link
--you there! Yes, you! Bomb Iraq again, and make it snappy.
--where's my drink?
― Skottie, Sunday, 7 March 2004 16:23 (twenty years ago) link
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Sunday, 7 March 2004 16:26 (twenty years ago) link
As for SATs - exactly where did I say that they mattered. The issue was UT's status as an elite university (to be kept in with the Ivies) - and it's not. One measure is the average SAT score. Avg. Hah-vud score - like 1450-1500. Avg. UT score - 1200 or less. Doesn't necessarily mean anything (other than Hah-vud kids could afford test prep), but that's one of the indications.
How that becomes "dissing low SAT scores" (uh, 1200 is like 200 points above-average), Lord only knows.
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 7 March 2004 17:11 (twenty years ago) link
Don't be the guy with the one gay friend who isn't going to Hell. Either it's bad or it isn't.
― Tep (ktepi), Sunday, 7 March 2004 17:49 (twenty years ago) link
Okay...
― Skottie, Sunday, 7 March 2004 17:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Kerry (dymaxia), Sunday, 7 March 2004 18:05 (twenty years ago) link
― Kerry (dymaxia), Sunday, 7 March 2004 18:08 (twenty years ago) link
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 7 March 2004 18:10 (twenty years ago) link
Maybe Dartmouth is like that, except it's more country than club, or Princeton or something, I dunno, I only did one road trip my whole four years. But this painting with a broad brush thing, I dunno.
And what the fuck parties did YOU get to go to? Our parties were fueled by beer from kegs and music by Prince. I didn't see anyone doing any coke in four years (my roommate saw that once I think)...shit, I must have been the wrong kind of Ivy Leaguer, a.k.a. Not The Straw Man.
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Sunday, 7 March 2004 18:12 (twenty years ago) link
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 7 March 2004 18:13 (twenty years ago) link
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Sunday, 7 March 2004 18:15 (twenty years ago) link
if they had died you would still post about them (and the 70s film shorts they were in) in the obit thread
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 19:38 (five years ago) link
William H Macy also apparently involved though not named in the complaint.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 20:08 (five years ago) link
typical Frank Gallagher
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 20:28 (five years ago) link
Also, if you're a well-connected person at a school like Yale, you are going to have the opportunity to ride the coattails of other well-connected people into ventures with a possible upside of well over six to seven figures.
fuck all these schools and their connections, burn them shits to the ground
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 20:31 (five years ago) link
https://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2017/04/12/subsidizing_the_ivy_league.html
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 20:41 (five years ago) link
lol
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 20:42 (five years ago) link
it's a bit too early for there to be any actual studies, but it has been written about: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/05/climate/climate-change-children.html
AOC also mentioned it earlier this year: "Our planet is going to hit disaster if we don’t turn this ship around. There’s scientific consensus that the lives of children are going to be very difficult. And it does lead, I think, young people to have a legitimate question: Is it okay to still have children?"
― theorizing your yells (katherine), Wednesday, March 13, 2019 3:21 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
thanks. I’m not very convinced this has much to do with the trends we’ve been seeing over the past couple of decades, at least compared to things like widespread access to birth control, student loan debt, and people marrying later (which of course could be related to the above)also as evol alludes to, philosophical opposition to having kids has a long history, and this may just be the latest reason for it
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 13 March 2019 20:52 (five years ago) link
Uh
OMG: “My daughter and a group of students left for spring break prior to the government's announcement yesterday. Once we became aware of the investigation, the young woman decided it would be in her best interests to return home.” https://t.co/1GHMMlKABA— Matt Pearce 🦅 (@mattdpearce) March 13, 2019
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 23:37 (five years ago) link
sprang braaaaaaaaaake
― j., Wednesday, 13 March 2019 23:56 (five years ago) link
Given that Lori Loughlin's most prestigious credit was Full House, you may be lil bit off there mook
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 March 2019 01:22 (five years ago) link
― nathom, Thursday, 14 March 2019 07:21 (five years ago) link
That seems a very favorable reading of the evidence. But yeah they didn’t have enough to charge him.
― o. nate, Thursday, 14 March 2019 14:17 (five years ago) link
when I was a TA at a uni famous for football I taught a class of football players & one guy who literally was "heir to a popular processed-meat company’s fortune" was in the class. he'd been given a football scholarship at this uni, & I don't think he ever played a down in his 4 years. always figured it was this kind of bullshit. one weekend during the class (it was during the summer) this guy flew the whole football team to his dad's mansion in arizona or whatever for a giant party. I think they ate a ton of canned chili.
― L'assie (Euler), Thursday, 14 March 2019 16:21 (five years ago) link
one thing that's pretty fucked up is it seems like most of these kids had no idea what their parents were doing, so now they have to deal with the possibility that they'll be expelled from the schools they were accepted to, and the ones who aren't at least have to deal with public humiliation at having been accepted illegitimately. And they'll be labeled as cheaters even though with few exceptions they were not privy to the cheating done on their behalf. I do feel bad for most of them. Though not super bad for the Loughlin/Mossimo scion, tbh.
― omar little, Thursday, 14 March 2019 18:02 (five years ago) link
I do think the reporting around this has done a good job of painting the parents as the monsters over the students, with the glaring and well-deserved exception of Loughlin's daughter
― GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Thursday, 14 March 2019 18:37 (five years ago) link
well them and this guy:
Son defends parents caught in college admissions scandal while smoking blunt https://t.co/4zD4EdKM5q pic.twitter.com/rYC05uGRdt— New York Post (@nypost) March 14, 2019
― theorizing your yells (katherine), Thursday, 14 March 2019 18:38 (five years ago) link
"no idea" is a stretch. many of the shady activities required the kids' participation.
to the extent that they'd have "no idea" that e.g. collaborating with friendly doctors to support a disability diagnosis allowing for extra time or unorthodox proctoring it's bc so many privileged families are doing this already but stopping sort of changing answers or submitting someone else's test.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 14 March 2019 18:39 (five years ago) link
"son, we need to have a talk. our family has been implicated in a massive college admissions cheating scandal the likes of which have not been publicized in decades, but one where it's theoretically possible the kids can mostly escape blame. so, what I need you to do is go out and be as unsympathetic as humanly possible. do you think you can do that for us?"
― theorizing your yells (katherine), Thursday, 14 March 2019 18:39 (five years ago) link
omg lol at that dude, wow
― GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Thursday, 14 March 2019 18:41 (five years ago) link
xp -- at least for the cases where the proctors changed the kids' scores, I've seen a couple of arguments along the lines of "of course the kids knew when they got a SAT score 400 points higher than the last one," which doesn't make sense to me at all. have people never taken an exam, walked out of the room being utterly convinced they flunked it, and then found out they got an A? or have people never just straight-up guessed on a multiple-choice test and found out they guessed correctly?
― theorizing your yells (katherine), Thursday, 14 March 2019 18:42 (five years ago) link
The toker, who sports a ponytail and raps under the name “Billa,” then shamelessly plugged his music. “Check out my CD, ‘Cheese and Crackers,’ ” he said of his 2018 five-track record that includes a song titled “If I Lost My Money.”
― jmm, Thursday, 14 March 2019 18:43 (five years ago) link
xp: Agreed, also some of these kids seem to have been actively studying for these tests, so an improvement in scores would have been interpreted by them as validation that their studying paid off.
― GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Thursday, 14 March 2019 18:44 (five years ago) link
I will freely admit that I don't really understand the world of 'connections' but I was figuring that:
i) the kids of wealthy celebrities already have a lot of connections by virtue of being the children of celebrities and
ii) the kinds of Yale connections that would lead to starting up or being invited to join seven-figure ventures would still require you to be, idk, pretty good at what you were studying at Yale.
But yeah, clearly not a world I get.
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Thursday, 14 March 2019 18:53 (five years ago) link
Although now, when I put i) and ii) together, I realize you probably mean that competent go-getters at Ivies may well want to associate themselves with children of the rich and famous because of their names.
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Thursday, 14 March 2019 18:55 (five years ago) link
I think there are probably very few kids who were not in on it, and I am not going to feel bad about these Richie Riches when this will likely have exactly zero effect on their future life prospects.
― Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Thursday, 14 March 2019 18:58 (five years ago) link
xp: ding ding ding
― GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Thursday, 14 March 2019 19:01 (five years ago) link
I think they ate a ton of canned chili
thank you for this
― j., Thursday, 14 March 2019 19:05 (five years ago) link
i used this story in a class today to talk about financial fraud, it was wild, students have all kinds of shit to say about it
― j., Thursday, 14 March 2019 19:07 (five years ago) link
― nathom, Thursday, 14 March 2019 20:46 (five years ago) link
j., you can become an influencer on ig --"shit my students say"
― John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt, Thursday, 14 March 2019 20:47 (five years ago) link
Also had a girl in our shop. She was saying she just finished a year at Oxford. I asked which uni she attended in the US. She was sort of shy saying:"Oh Brown." I replied:"Don't be shy! You should be proud of it." She said she was trembling when she read ab the scam. Dunno if it was bec her parents bought her way into Brown. Lol.
― nathom, Thursday, 14 March 2019 20:56 (five years ago) link
or because she didn't know whether they did!!!
― j., Thursday, 14 March 2019 21:56 (five years ago) link
things that cause me to tremble: 1) pondering how they crucified my lord. 2) pondering how they laid him in a tomb. 3) pondering how admittance into Brown University isn't validation of one's life.
― say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 14 March 2019 22:20 (five years ago) link
Apparently this investigation was kicked off by a finance dude who was under investigation by the SEC for pumping/dumping stock - when caught he flipped on the Yale woman's soccer coach who was taking bribes.https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-yale-dad-who-set-off-the-college-admissions-scandal-11552588402
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 15 March 2019 06:28 (five years ago) link
Harvard had $41 billion before the market crash. It would cost them almost nothing to keep paying workers. It should be socialized. https://t.co/Eh020XBbmi— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) March 22, 2020
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 22 March 2020 06:54 (four years ago) link