2008 USGE RESULTS THREAD PS GOP U LOST DIXVILLE NOTCH LOL

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I don't know, Kwame's text messages got less funny over time.

Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 6 November 2008 18:37 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.newsweek.com/id/167755

Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 6 November 2008 18:37 (fifteen years ago) link

I still want to see the list, Bill! I wonder how obsessed with somebody you'd have to be to write an 81 page list of complaints. Even for people who I feel have wronged me in some way, I'd be really hard put to come up with anything more than maybe a five page list of grievances? And even five pages would be stretching it.

I dunno. Every week I compile a list of complaints about ILXors who have wronged me, and it easily exceeds 10 pages. After a few months I have over 80 pages as well, and I'm sure Bill Clinton's list goes farther back than that.

z "R" s (Z S), Thursday, 6 November 2008 18:37 (fifteen years ago) link

Merkley wins in Oregon

Michael White, Thursday, 6 November 2008 18:37 (fifteen years ago) link

Thanks, Nicole.

Michael White, Thursday, 6 November 2008 18:38 (fifteen years ago) link

i find it all fascinating because it's like, he became insanely infuriated beyond all reason by most accounts, saying the craziest things and really turning the campaign into something very ugly, and it mainly seems to be because a democrat dared to run without courting princess bill. it's odd and ridiculous and i think people are starting to go with this story a little again is because obama won while entirely eschewing the clinton political machine which dominated the democratic party for a while now! and of course it doesn't hurt that i think secretly about half the party elite were getting goddamned sick of bill clinton's fancy prancing and are secretly (and not-so-secretly) giggling to themselves right now.

honestly between bill's behavior and the ridiculous pumas who made a big stink of themselves and embarassed all of humanity, i really do feel bad for hillary who is just getting shit on by association with her entitled jackass husband and this entitled jackassed minority of her supporters. so i just really do find it interesting to see what the hell exactly happened behind the scenes there, because it seems to me like hillary is a reasonable lady -- i don/t buy into the mythos of hillary as a shrill ambitious bear.

it's also interesting to try to figure out how some of this bad blood is going to affect bill's legacy in the end but that's DEVELOPING... (drudgesiren.gif)

i hope the 81 page list was contained in a lisa frank notebook :D

the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 6 November 2008 18:40 (fifteen years ago) link

AP calls North Carolina for Obama

Michael White, Thursday, 6 November 2008 18:40 (fifteen years ago) link

I had never seen a picture of Gordon Smith until now with that article on the Merkley win. Do people routinely make fun of his fake Ken doll wig?

Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 6 November 2008 18:41 (fifteen years ago) link

i hear you on hils, but then i read something like Hillary Clinton refused to shake his hand on the Senate floor after he declared his candidacy from the NEwsweek "How He Did It" piece, and I'm just like fuck that. I know, it's a measly, nothing, possibly even misinterpreted gesture, but fuck that.

flyover statesman (will), Thursday, 6 November 2008 18:45 (fifteen years ago) link

kristol is a goddamned idiot and you can take that to the bank. there is not a single thing he has ever said that panned out.

so true. why does this jerk have a job

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 6 November 2008 18:47 (fifteen years ago) link

nicole, GIS Dino Rossi (the guy who lost to Gregoire for WA gov) if you want Barbie trademark political chiselling

HI, YOUR BAND! (Mackro Mackro), Thursday, 6 November 2008 18:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Rossi makes Gordon Smith look like a woodsman

HI, YOUR BAND! (Mackro Mackro), Thursday, 6 November 2008 18:49 (fifteen years ago) link

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wasn't kristol's dad a conservative movt bigwig?

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 6 November 2008 18:50 (fifteen years ago) link

Emanuel Accepts Chief of Staff Job

z "R" s (Z S), Thursday, 6 November 2008 18:50 (fifteen years ago) link

flyover statesman, compare that with:

"It may have been a Cheshire-cat grin, but Obama was not a gloater. There was no high-fiving or obvious schadenfreude. As Axelrod saw him, Obama didn't enjoy a good hate. That would be a waste of time and emotion, and Obama was, if nothing else, highly disciplined."

Referring to Obama's primary win in NC and Bill Clinton's 17 point approval rating drop there.

Michael White, Thursday, 6 November 2008 18:50 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh my. I've heard about the Rossi/Gregoire race but I hadn't seen a picture of him, either. Where do they get these guys?

Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 6 November 2008 18:52 (fifteen years ago) link

i'm just basically tired of assholes. you can be an effective, inspiring, scrappy candidate/leader without being a cunt.

flyover statesman (will), Thursday, 6 November 2008 18:52 (fifteen years ago) link

Rahm Emanuel is not your guy then.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 6 November 2008 18:53 (fifteen years ago) link

I had never seen a picture of Gordon Smith until now with that article on the Merkley win. Do people routinely make fun of his fake Ken doll wig?

yes, we do. I still can't believe Merkley might win, last I looked he was down 15K. we also have some really close local races in Oregon that still aren't decided.

sleeve, Thursday, 6 November 2008 18:55 (fifteen years ago) link

Smith has already conceded. Merkley won.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 6 November 2008 18:56 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh my. I've heard about the Rossi/Gregoire race but I hadn't seen a picture of him, either. Where do they get these guys?

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/images/05/15/story.stand.jpg

Parts, The Clonus Horror

HI, YOUR BAND! (Mackro Mackro), Thursday, 6 November 2008 19:01 (fifteen years ago) link

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YES

sleeve, Thursday, 6 November 2008 19:02 (fifteen years ago) link

Obama, by contrast, lost weight. He regularly ate the same dinner of salmon, rice and broccoli.

choom gang r.i.p.

velko, Thursday, 6 November 2008 19:05 (fifteen years ago) link

Parts, The Clonus Horror

They're about ready to go to...AMERICA!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 November 2008 19:06 (fifteen years ago) link

nahh u aint see that barry smokes broccoli on the daily

and what, Thursday, 6 November 2008 19:06 (fifteen years ago) link

Between the Sanford/Jefferson mix-up and these "lithium crystals," Obama runs the risk of alienating my watches-too-much-TV demographic

nabisco, Thursday, 6 November 2008 19:11 (fifteen years ago) link

Is it wrong that I find these Newsweek "How He Did It" soap opera's endlessly entertaining and fascinating every four years? It feels dirty somehow.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 6 November 2008 19:13 (fifteen years ago) link

The Sanford/Jefferson gaffe was the first thing he has said that I was appalled by. xp

Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 6 November 2008 19:13 (fifteen years ago) link

It's a good read.

Michael White, Thursday, 6 November 2008 19:17 (fifteen years ago) link

I liked the '96 one a lot, between that and Michael Lewis's book it covered an odd year.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 November 2008 19:20 (fifteen years ago) link

The 92 one was good as well, I always like reading these after the election.

Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 6 November 2008 19:23 (fifteen years ago) link

The '04 was depressing, but still fascinating. Made me hate Clinton all the more w/ his deathbed "come out hard against gay marriage" bullshit.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 6 November 2008 19:25 (fifteen years ago) link

I admit with this one I'm just briefly skimming bits...I'm waiting for the Palin-and-after chapters.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 November 2008 19:25 (fifteen years ago) link

Won't Palin be in the next one?

Michael White, Thursday, 6 November 2008 19:27 (fifteen years ago) link

Should be!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 November 2008 19:27 (fifteen years ago) link

The whole thing is really a good read. I end up feeling more sympathy for HRC than I expected to.

Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 6 November 2008 19:31 (fifteen years ago) link

^^ this. what a mess she had to deal with.

goole, Thursday, 6 November 2008 19:33 (fifteen years ago) link

I feel sorry for her too. Being married to Bill doesn't exactly seem like it's all fun and games.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 6 November 2008 19:33 (fifteen years ago) link

On the other hand, he didn't drag her off caveman-style so ya make your bed, etc.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 6 November 2008 19:34 (fifteen years ago) link

yah both the McCain and Clinton campaigns seem like complete messes

Mr. Que, Thursday, 6 November 2008 19:35 (fifteen years ago) link

obama's campaign was run on a few clear ideas with a clear gameplan, and they got people who would stick to the script and execute. hillary seemed to collect a bunch of the "best" people around her and then hope something materialized out of it. mccain was just hopeless.

goole, Thursday, 6 November 2008 19:37 (fifteen years ago) link

salmon, rice and broccoli

dude eats my favorite foods too?

gabbneb, Thursday, 6 November 2008 19:50 (fifteen years ago) link

Post-election revelry ends at jail

eman, Thursday, 6 November 2008 19:56 (fifteen years ago) link

NE-2 still outstanding

gabbneb, Thursday, 6 November 2008 19:59 (fifteen years ago) link

Heh, one of my professors who lives in Charles Village was all "Man, those Hopkins students were going crazy!" yesterday.

x-post

circa1916, Thursday, 6 November 2008 20:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Part 5 is up at Newsweek...

By picking Palin, Schmidt argued, McCain could snatch the "change" mantle away from Obama. Not for the first time, Salter came around to Schmidt's way of thinking. In the home of one of Cindy McCain's business associates, the two men tried to impress on Palin just how grueling the coming months could be. She did not seem intimidated—in the least. She was up front about her family, telling the McCain aides that her 17-year-old unmarried daughter Bristol was pregnant.

Passenger 57 (rogermexico.), Thursday, 6 November 2008 20:15 (fifteen years ago) link

Nov. 6, 2008 | Bill Kristol, "Fox News Sunday" -- Dec. 17, 2006

"If [Hillary Clinton] gets a race against John Edwards and Barack Obama, she's going to be the nominee. Gore is the only threat to her ... Barack Obama is not going to beat Hillary Clinton in a single democratic primary. I'll predict that right now."

Karl Rove, "Fox News Sunday" -- Aug. 19, 2007

On Hillary Clinton: "The Democrats are going to choose a nominee. I believe it's going to be her. That's their business…But I think she's going to be the nominee."

Peter Mulhern, Real Clear Politics -- Oct. 1, 2007

"In this case conventional wisdom is not just wrong but comically so. Fred Thompson will win the Republican nomination for two reasons. First, he's a very impressive candidate. Second, there's no realistic alternative. He will win the general election for the same two reasons."

Ann Coulter, "Hannity & Colmes" on Fox News -- Dec. 20, 2007

"I think it's probably going to be Romney for the Republicans, Hillary for the Democrats."

Jonah Goldberg, National Review -- Jan. 4, 2008

"I think it's worth imagining a certain scenario. Imagine the Democrats do rally around Obama. Imagine the media invests as heavily in him as I think we all know they will if he's the nominee -- and then imagine he loses. I seriously think certain segments of American political life will become completely unhinged. I can imagine the fear of this social unraveling actually aiding Obama enormously in 2008. Forget Hillary's inevitability. Obama has a rendezvous with destiny, or so we will be told. And if he's denied it, teeth shall be gnashed, clothes rent and prices paid."

Rudy Giuliani, the Washington Post -- Jan. 12, 2008

"We'll win Florida. It's an unconventional strategy, but I've never followed conventional wisdom before; it's always worked."

Hillary Clinton, ABC News -- April 3, 2008

A source with "direct knowledge" of Hillary to Bill Richardson concerning Obama: “He cannot win, Bill. He cannot win."

Pat Buchanan, MSNBC's "Hardball With Chris Matthews" -- May 21, 2008

On McCain's vice-presidential choice: "My guess is he's going to win Florida by himself. And Charlie Crist, of course, would seal it, but McCain will win it by himself. Jindal is a tremendously popular figure with conservatives. He's a traditionalist Catholic, Chris. But I just don't see McCain going to Louisiana. I agree with Norah on that. I think Romney is somewhat more likely because I think McCain is going to go north."

Rudy Giuliani, MSNBC's "Road to the White House" -- Aug. 6, 2008

"And when you look at the serious questions that face us, whether it's energy or the economy, or the war on terror, I think John McCain's experience ends up being something that will win the race for him."

President Bush, Republican National Convention -- Sept. 2, 2008

"We live in a dangerous world. And we need a president who understands the lessons of September 11, 2001: that to protect America, we must stay on the offense, stop attacks before they happen, and not wait to be hit again. The man we need is John McCain … When the debates have ended and all the ads have run and it is time to vote, Americans will look closely at the judgment, the experience, and the policies of the candidates -- and they will cast their ballots for the McCain-Palin ticket."

George Allen, the "Today" show -- Sept. 24, 2008

"I think Virginians are really getting fired up for this ticket of McCain and Palin … but the key issues of Virginia: national security, energy security, lower taxes, and that's why I think ultimately John McCain will win here in Virginia."

Hugh Hewitt, Townhall.com -- Oct. 3, 2008

"So, despite the rapture of college students and the registration of the homeless in Ohio, the common sense of Americans will override curiosity about Barack Obama and infatuation with his celebrity, and trust John McCain to pilot the country for the next four years ... America is a great and good nation, and it will not turn itself over to a party in the grip of its hardest left cadres, its most corrupt machine and its least experienced nominee ever. Especially not when it has a man of enormous courage and proven devotion and sacrifice at the ready to lead through difficult times."

Tom Ridge, CNN -- Oct. 28, 2008

"I believe we need to prevail in Pennsylvania for John to win. And I think we will … I think John made an excellent choice. I've been with Gov. Palin. I've seen her energize the crowds. I know how the Republican Party and the base feels about her. John wasn't looking for a candidate to help in one state, he was looking for a candidate to help in all 50. I think he found that running mate."

Rush Limbaugh, interview with London Telegraph and on his radio program -- Oct. 31, 2008

To London Telegraph: "I think [Obama has] been dead in the water since the primaries. He is going to need to be up 10 to 12 points to win by 3 or 4 … Don't forget that Hillary winning was a foregone conclusion, too. If the polls had been right it would have been Giuliani versus Hillary. That's why polls a year out are worthless."

On his radio program: "My gut hadn't been giving me any indication on this race, but it started talking to me last night … Barack is headed back to Iowa. That should be a lock; it’s a dead heat … Florida, Ohio and Nevada look like pretty good McCain certainties here. Obama still has to run ads in California."

McCain advisor Charlie Black, as reported in Time -- Nov. 2, 2008

"McCain is in a good position to win every red state ... Plus he is probably going to win Pennsylvania and Iowa."

Carl Cameron, Fox News -- Nov. 3, 2008

"When you look at what's happened in the polls in Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina and Florida -- they believe that they've strengthened. Essentially, the conservative districts in those states are now secured. That they still have a little bit of work to do, particularly in the much-vaunted GOP ground game: knocking on doors, making phone calls, lots of e-mails to shore them up entirely. But most of the red states they think they're now safe in ... In places like Pennsylvania, Ohio and Missouri expect a late night. No quick calls tomorrow.

Kathryn Jean Lopez, National Review -- Nov. 4, 2008

Shortly before Pennsylvania was called for Obama on Election Night, Lopez wrote on the Corner blog: "Barone … throws serious cold water on the Pa. calls."

Ed Morrissey, Washingtonpost.com -- Nov. 4, 2008

The Hot Air blogger predicted that John McCain would win 51 percent of the popular vote and beat Obama in the electoral vote 273-262. He also predicted that Al Franken would receive only 36 perecent of the vote in the Minnesota Senate race.

Dick Morris

Morris released a book in October 2005 titled "Condi vs. Hillary: The Next Great Presidential Race."

forksclovetofu, Thursday, 6 November 2008 20:15 (fifteen years ago) link

Schmidt and Salter met with her as soon as she arrived in Flagstaff on Wednesday. The three talked late into the night. Schmidt and Salter probed and pressed and looked for gaps between her views and McCain's. Palin shrugged off substantive differences. "What's the big darn deal?" she asked, smiling and, in her frontier-girl way, half defying, half flirting with her interrogators.

Yech.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 November 2008 20:18 (fifteen years ago) link

bullet dodged

omar little, Thursday, 6 November 2008 20:18 (fifteen years ago) link

Speechwriter Matt Scully and senior communications aide Nicolle Wallace were instructed to fly to Cincinnati and were given the name of a small, nondescript hotel. When they arrived they found Salter sitting on the curb, smoking, while Schmidt stared at his BlackBerry.

That's what happens when you charge by the hour.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 November 2008 20:19 (fifteen years ago) link


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