2008 USGE RESULTS THREAD PS GOP U LOST DIXVILLE NOTCH LOL

hey are all these elmore leonard palin excerpts coming from the same big newsweek HOW HE WON piece?

yah go to main newsweek page, they keep adding chapters

Are parts 6 and 7 up yet? Best. Election. Postmortem. Ever.

Latest from MN Senate. Coleman up by 342, still counting.

Republican NORM COLEMAN 1211538 41.99
Democratic-Farmer-Labor AL FRANKEN 1211196 41.98

Not yet, suzy.

when does the print version come out?

Edition of Nov 17

can we start placing bets on who plays the inaugural ball?

I'm guessing Stevie Wonder, Wilco, fingers crossed for Jay-Z or Kanye

I'm not sure this is the best image for Bush to have circulating right now:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/images/2008/11/06/bushleavespauljrichardsafpgetty.jpg

to back up to some earlier stuff in the thread, this might be interesting as far as history re: the PUMA thing -

i've no idea what in the world could cover 81 pages from bill, but, a couple grievances that came up on the blogs: axelrod telling the politico that HRC would literally do or say anything to get elected. they pushed that on conference calls with the press, too. constantly. calling HRC disingenuous. jesse jackson jr demanding to know, apropos of the famous NH incident when she got misty eyed, why HRC 'never cried over katrina.' running things up the flagpole accusing HRC's campaign of an insidious pattern of race-based attacks. pushing the story that HRC actually was sticking around in the primaries because she thought of the possibility of what happened to RFK, happening to obama. olbermann delivered a particularly deranged Special Comment on that & the obama campaign promptly sent around links to it to the national press corps. (stephanopoulos called them on that on the subsequent sunday talk show.)

the PUMA movement really got going from a bunch of hillary supporters leaving some of the big "liberal" blogs en masse because they were sick and tired of obama supporters constantly portraying their candidate as an evil, lying, racist bitch & also being determined to shut down discussion wherever they could. this was rampant @ daily kos, nothing was done about it, and eventually the hillary people all bailed out. not all the obama people were like this whatsoever, but the loudest, rudest people who went all-scorched-earth, all the time, were allowed to take over. daily kos used to be a lot more reality-based and open to discussion. then, while the primaries were still going on, there was a constant barrage of demands (from blogs, media, prominent democrats) for hillary to quit, which naturally annoyed the hell out of her supporters, and then once things were decided, insistence that we were all unified, unity unity unity, and that the hillary folks who were still smarting from the primary battle should just STFU.

the hillary supporters also wanted to see a real floor vote at the convention so that her delegates would have the opportunity to vote for her. obama's supporters & powers-that-be at the dnc tried to shut this down. hillary folks also had a BIG problem with the rules & bylaws committee deciding that florida did not count, and that the michigan primary results didn't count and that delegates could be awarded according to.. what the committee thought the vote would've been, including taking away a few hillary delegates and awarding them to obama. this was infuriating because nowhere in DNC rules does it state that the results of a primary can be made up like that. completely undemocratic. at some point when this was happening, a commenter on one of the blogs where hillary people had gone after being driven off daily kos, mydd, et al, declared out of frustration, that she was now joining the PUMA party: Party Unity My Ass. so that's where it started, if you all want to know - the republicans had nothing to do with it.

when does the print version come out?

Cover dates and street dates don't usually match up -- I think I heard one of the Newsweek reporters on Diane Rehm the other day saying it would be out, um, later this week? Don't quote me on that. But I'm pretty sure it'll be before the 17th.

xp Hey look it's the way-back-machine!

gah, which reporters wore the pirate shirt?

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lol was wondering this too

xpost - heh. i'm just saying that's what went on in the blogosphere. some of these sites have since gone off the rails into conspiracy world, unfortunately. but i notice a lot of blogs do that. the republican sites are really lost right now & some of them crying about how ACORN stole the election..

going to read that newsweek piece now.

Looks like another electoral vote for Obama -- thanks Omaha!

I'm not sure this is the best image for Bush to have circulating right now:

I dunno. Being that he doesn't have to act cool for the election or anybody else, I wouldn't be surprised to see a reprise of the ol' finger video being updated.

Maybe he can give McCain an awkward hug now.

Don't want to get into it with daria, really, but if any of the stuff you cite was included in that 81 pages it would be miraculous since according to the Newsweek article Bill produced it right after New Hampshire and nearly all of those events occured well after.

i'm instantly put off by the first paragraph of the newsweek piece which implicitly reinforces a lot of right wing talking points - that democrats esp black democrats HAVE been primarily driven by identity politics, entitlement, resentment, etc. Just saying, the writer sounds like he's carrying a lot of unfortunate assumptions.

Hahaha I started somewhere around the third section, but I have to note that identity politics, entitlement, and resentments certainly do strike me as accurate frameworks for understanding the primary

Yeah, I was gonna say!

can we start placing bets on who plays the inaugural ball? I'm guessing Stevie Wonder

That would be PERFECT. I hope you're right.

da boss

U2, surely.

^^^NO

^^not American

ugh, no way, wtf

all three acts I mentioned have direct connections to Obama (Wilco did fundraiser shows, Obama has met/attended shows of Stevie's, also has met Jay-Z) fucking U2 = vomit

He seemed indifferent to, if not scornful of, the politics of identity and grievance. He showed no sense of entitlement or resentment.

see, to me it sounds like the writer has been listening to rush limbaugh complaining about liberals

Lauryn Hill - January Surprise

Yeah, Daria, I know what you mean; I think in the effort to contrast Obama with past molds of black politicians, he's actually contrasting Obama with reductive straw men and lumped-together criticisms of past molds of black politicians

Obama has played U2's "City of Blinding Light" quite a bit at his rallies, but again, I don't think you invite an Irish band to a U.S. presidential inauguration.

Or perceptions of what's limiting about past generations of black politicians

I didn't mention U2 because I *wanted* them there, trust me. (Then again I don't want Bruce there either.) Besides, we are talking about a band led by Mr. "Look! The flag in my jacket! Do you see!"

what the hell is wrong with all of you that you are discussing really lame inauguration performances anyway

i can't actually think of anything, even a u2 performance, that would make me want to stab myself in the face more than kanye performing at the inauguration btw, thanks for that one.

there is also no way in hell jay-z would be picked due to the fact that he is a "scary" "gangsta rapper" (btw my favorite bit in that newsweek thing so far is seriously transcription of jay-z lyrics to explain dirtonshoulder.gif)

"do pimps actually do this?? fact check!"

Umm I think Kanye's prime-time involvement in American politics was officially cashed in during Katrina

SHELLAC!

(sorry schef, you'z asking for that one)

oh come on, Chicago-native Kanye "George Bush Doesn't Care About Black People" West would be totally entertaining

Steve Albini also acceptable

Also the dirt-off-shoulder as some kind of explicit Jay-Z riff seems really off to me -- surely the gesture's been in general circulation long enough that it's not some direct reference

Or rather, "not best interpreted as some direct reference"

Obama cameo on "my black ass"

shakey, i'm aware of who kanye is and did not need his mini-bio, and still find him totally not entertaining at all. like even from the "haha it'd be hilarious for kanye to say something off the cuff and 'shocking' again wouldn't it?" standpoint that i'm kinda wondering if you're coming from...

xpost yeah nabisco i know! i just lolled

Spoon
Dinosaur Jr.
Spiritualized
M. Ward
Ghostface and Raekwon
Les Savy Fav
The Apples in Stereo
Boris
Dirty Projectors
Times New Viking
Cut Copy
Bon Iver
Dodos
Occidental Brothers Dance Band International
King Khan & His Shrines
El Guincho
HEALTH
High Places
Mahjongg

the writer also believes that the mainstream press suffers from "liberal guilt"

<sigh>

tha baws

John Prine on a side stage.

daria read the postmortem for the awesome stories basically

guys, we've forgotten Ministry \;_;/