philosophy
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:57 (fourteen years ago) link
man
ho shit. i thought the donkey-wheel was just meta.
n e ways, plaxico otm
― ultra nate dogg (history mayne), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:59 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, interdisciplinary work is so fruitless
― ksh, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:04 (fourteen years ago) link
even if you don't consider analytic and continental philosophy to be two separate disciplines—maybe they are, and maybe they aren't—saying that you need to take sides doesn't really make much sense. not saying you can just take random aspects of the two and mash them together, but if you notice a place where the two lines up, you certainly can link them together and work from there
― ksh, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:06 (fourteen years ago) link
seems like u r def. the man to do that good look
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:08 (fourteen years ago) link
btw, lol that ILX Philosophy thread started discussing Lost less than 50 posts in
― Mordy, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:18 (fourteen years ago) link
Ugh, maybe I won't be looking forward to this thread as I had initially thought. Fucking assholes coming out of the woodwork already.
I don't believe that analytic and continental disciplines can ever be reduced into each other, and nor should they, but to suggest that they cannot both be appreciated is the most disgusting savagery.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 23:56 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't think those people are assholes.
― bamcquern, Thursday, 17 June 2010 00:57 (fourteen years ago) link
Analyze the disgusting savage archetype?
― Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 00:59 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm just going to treat this as the rolling talk about academics thread, fuck distinctions imo
― dyao, Thursday, 17 June 2010 01:05 (fourteen years ago) link
anyway, picked up history of sexuality part I, it's actually my first full on foucault book instead of a few scattered essays and excerpts here and there. have only read the prologue but excited
not wanting to put you off or anything, but dunno if history of sexuality is the best place to start w/ foucault - i think it's one of his most esoteric and least satisfying bks, tbh. for me, discipline and punish was a really gd intro to his thought and style - works as a piece of theory and as (obv contentious) history
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 17 June 2010 06:39 (fourteen years ago) link
i am so goddamn out of touch w/philosphy these days, i am a bad philo grad. it bugs me, because i think ive lost a lot of what i already knew just through not engaging with it, kind of a tough discipline if you dont stay on top of it.
― ULTRAMAN dat ho (jjjusten), Wednesday, June 16, 2010 1:41 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
^^^^ I double majored and am working in the field of my other major so yeah, I'm stupid again so to speak. Hopefully this thread will bring back that loving feeling of my brain turning inside out.
― peacocks, Thursday, 17 June 2010 18:09 (fourteen years ago) link
i found history of sexuality I quite satisfying and not as hard to get through as d&p
― harbl, Thursday, 17 June 2010 18:14 (fourteen years ago) link
i read this really good book called the fountanhead once
― michael, Thursday, 17 June 2010 18:19 (fourteen years ago) link
wat was it about?
― peacocks, Thursday, 17 June 2010 20:39 (fourteen years ago) link
how awesome awesome people are
― Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 20:44 (fourteen years ago) link
i think it was about rape and architecture, kinda like Discipline & Punish, only longer.
― sarahel, Thursday, 17 June 2010 20:50 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah i woulda said history of sexuality was totally perfect intro to foucault, kinda feel like its both the most developed and clearest version of many of his tropes etc.
― plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 21:32 (fourteen years ago) link
the Foucault lecture courses that have been coming out in english translation over the past few years are also great -- I find the lecture format really easy to follow (not that Foucault's other books are particularly offensive in this regard; just sayin'), and there's a lot of great stuff in there
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 21:48 (fourteen years ago) link
lately my reading has been directed more toward early-20th century european philosophy (phenomenology, Diltheyan hermeneutics, various neo-Kantianisms) in an effort to get a better grasp on the origins of the main postwar intellectual (and some political) movements. and maybe to finally understand Heidegger, but I'm not holding my breath.
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 21:51 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSdHoNJu5fU
― plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 21:55 (fourteen years ago) link
ha, was just about to post that. It's funny because it's true.
I'm currently doing my Masters dissertation in (continental) philosophy, fuck it all I say I'll just get a cosy office job. Altho my reading at this very moment is fun, Jacques Attali's Noise: The Political Economy of Music.
― NYC Goatse.cx and Flowers (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:00 (fourteen years ago) link
really makes me want to read hegel and hausel to understand late heidegger to understand derrida (kinda thought socrates was supposed to be the key to derrida though)
― plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:03 (fourteen years ago) link
That clip is amazing. Also -- loved the Attali. A lot of my undergrad thesis was devoted to him.
― Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:05 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost oh yeah I'm also hoping that, after reading some Husserl, I'll be able to (and still want to, heh) read Derrida's early stuff on him and maybe get a better understanding of JD's whole project
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:08 (fourteen years ago) link
husserl is awesome but the phenomenological aspects of derrida are crazy confusing to me
― plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:13 (fourteen years ago) link
I saw this thread title and initially thought it would be about best approaches to throwing the D20 in a role playing game.
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:14 (fourteen years ago) link
man that clip is my h8ed approach to... everything really. "You can't understand x without y, z, or q". You could say that in any academic discipline, or any non-academic discipline. Fuck it. Secondary texts ftw.
btw another mostly lapsed MA here, although I keep up my subscription to The Philospher's Magazine.
― sent from my neural lace (ledge), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:18 (fourteen years ago) link
plax what's yr favorite husserl? I'm reading crisis of the european sciences right now but that's obv. a very late and not very representative work so I'm wonderin' what I should check out next.
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link
i read the cartesian meditations recently enough and its a pretty sweet intro.
― plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:24 (fourteen years ago) link
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, June 17, 2010 5:48 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
YES--birth of biopolitics is GREAT i think, not to mention the clearest/'easiest' of any foucault book ive read too.
― max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link
― plax (ico), Thursday, June 17, 2010 6:03 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i thought levinas was the key to derrida
― max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link
i dont even know who that is
― plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:28 (fourteen years ago) link
smdh
― max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:29 (fourteen years ago) link
i will never understand derrida
― plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:29 (fourteen years ago) link
fu omg
lol jk
― max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link
lithuanian jew, student of husserl (and heidegger i believe?), key concepts 'the other' 'ethics as first philosophy' 'face-to-face' 'alterity'
derrida has two long essays about him--'violence and metaphysics' and a published (extended?) version of the eulogy he gave at levinas funeral
― max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:34 (fourteen years ago) link
the key to derrida fyi is smokin pot and reading poetry
I don't think levinas was a student of heidegger (maybe yr thinkin' of marcuse?), but yeah, he was (I believe) the first french translator of husserl, and in general had a big influence on the french reception of phenomenology
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:36 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost halfway there; which poetry should I be readin'?
Rilke, maybe?
― Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:38 (fourteen years ago) link
well holderlin obv
― max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:38 (fourteen years ago) link
rimbaud dude
― AESTHOLE (jjjusten), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:39 (fourteen years ago) link
bob dylan
― max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:39 (fourteen years ago) link
mallarme
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:40 (fourteen years ago) link
shel silverstein
paul celan
― max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:41 (fourteen years ago) link
Good obituary:
https://www.3ammagazine.com/3am/bernard-stiegler-in-memoriam/
Reportedly a suicide, in reaction to an unnamed chronic illness (echoes of Deleuze).
― stabbing fantaisiste, repellent imagiste (pomenitul), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 15:02 (three years ago) link
Thanks pom, good piece
― The Scampos of Young Werther (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 15:41 (three years ago) link
Seconded, thanks for posting that. Very sad this is how he went.
― Monte Scampino (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 15:44 (three years ago) link
I did not know of him, but thanks for posting this.
― Joey Corona (Euler), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 16:32 (three years ago) link
Here he is in the 2004 documentary film The Ister, which is how I got wind of him in the first place:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymtnUDAOEWc
The entire thing is very much worth watching btw.
― stabbing fantaisiste, repellent imagiste (pomenitul), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 16:51 (three years ago) link
I was aware of him but that obituary definitely inspires me to read him
― The Scampos of Young Werther (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 17:29 (three years ago) link
Vol. 1 of Technics and Time is the watershed, even though it may not be the most approachable starting point (that distinction goes to Acting Out, which incidentally overdetermines the theatrical undertones of Passer à l'acte, but such are the vagaries of translation). His treaties on 'symbolic misery' are also quite thought-provoking, albeit shot through with the typically French assumption that high brow culture needs to be democratized because it is 'superior'. I am less taken with his later works, which frantically aspire towards a Theory of Everything of technocapitalist oppression – a laudable aim yet one that requires a bit more caution than he exhibits.
― stabbing fantaisiste, repellent imagiste (pomenitul), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 17:55 (three years ago) link
Totalization always feels like a daft game tbh but I understand the lure, totally
― The Scampos of Young Werther (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 17:58 (three years ago) link
sounds like the later stuff is more up my alley then as i'm a total whore for technocapitalist oppression theorizing
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 18:01 (three years ago) link
Don’t get me wrong, his ‘late period’ is a treasure trove as well. He tackles the topic with more depth and aplomb than e.g. Baudrillard imo.
― stabbing fantaisiste, repellent imagiste (pomenitul), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 18:07 (three years ago) link
His daughter, Barbara Stiegler, is also a noted philosopher and based on what little I know of her work she is also drawn to the same kinds of themes, e.g. adaptability as neoliberal imperative.
― stabbing fantaisiste, repellent imagiste (pomenitul), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 18:12 (three years ago) link
Yes, she teaches in Bordeaux I think. I knew her name but not his.
― Joey Corona (Euler), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 19:02 (three years ago) link
the obit is really good. i just ordered "The Neganthropocene (Critical Climate Chaos)" because amazon says it will arrive before i go on a no-internet camping trip over the weekend. it looks fun.
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Wednesday, 12 August 2020 01:03 (three years ago) link
Haven't read that one. Do report (if you feel like it, of course)!
― stabbing fantaisiste, repellent imagiste (pomenitul), Wednesday, 12 August 2020 01:15 (three years ago) link