really makes me want to read hegel and hausel to understand late heidegger to understand derrida (kinda thought socrates was supposed to be the key to derrida though)
― plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link
That clip is amazing. Also -- loved the Attali. A lot of my undergrad thesis was devoted to him.
― Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost oh yeah I'm also hoping that, after reading some Husserl, I'll be able to (and still want to, heh) read Derrida's early stuff on him and maybe get a better understanding of JD's whole project
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:08 (thirteen years ago) link
husserl is awesome but the phenomenological aspects of derrida are crazy confusing to me
― plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link
I saw this thread title and initially thought it would be about best approaches to throwing the D20 in a role playing game.
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link
man that clip is my h8ed approach to... everything really. "You can't understand x without y, z, or q". You could say that in any academic discipline, or any non-academic discipline. Fuck it. Secondary texts ftw.
btw another mostly lapsed MA here, although I keep up my subscription to The Philospher's Magazine.
― sent from my neural lace (ledge), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link
plax what's yr favorite husserl? I'm reading crisis of the european sciences right now but that's obv. a very late and not very representative work so I'm wonderin' what I should check out next.
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:21 (thirteen years ago) link
i read the cartesian meditations recently enough and its a pretty sweet intro.
― plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link
the Foucault lecture courses that have been coming out in english translation over the past few years are also great -- I find the lecture format really easy to follow (not that Foucault's other books are particularly offensive in this regard; just sayin'), and there's a lot of great stuff in there
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, June 17, 2010 5:48 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
YES--birth of biopolitics is GREAT i think, not to mention the clearest/'easiest' of any foucault book ive read too.
― max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link
― plax (ico), Thursday, June 17, 2010 6:03 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i thought levinas was the key to derrida
― max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont even know who that is
― plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link
smdh
― max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link
i will never understand derrida
― plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link
fu omg
lol jk
― max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link
lithuanian jew, student of husserl (and heidegger i believe?), key concepts 'the other' 'ethics as first philosophy' 'face-to-face' 'alterity'
derrida has two long essays about him--'violence and metaphysics' and a published (extended?) version of the eulogy he gave at levinas funeral
― max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
the key to derrida fyi is smokin pot and reading poetry
I don't think levinas was a student of heidegger (maybe yr thinkin' of marcuse?), but yeah, he was (I believe) the first french translator of husserl, and in general had a big influence on the french reception of phenomenology
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost halfway there; which poetry should I be readin'?
Rilke, maybe?
― Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:38 (thirteen years ago) link
well holderlin obv
― max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:38 (thirteen years ago) link
rimbaud dude
― AESTHOLE (jjjusten), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link
bob dylan
― max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link
mallarme
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:40 (thirteen years ago) link
shel silverstein
paul celan
― max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link
nicki minaj
paul celan for sure.
― Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I heard a lecture on Derrida + Celan last weekend.
celan was the poet derrida wrote most about from what i can tell.
― max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:42 (thirteen years ago) link
this (therefore) will not have been a thread
― ksh, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link
the best introduction to Derrida is the documentary Derrida — his waffle-preparing technique is the key to his entire philosophy project
― ksh, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
or, "philosophical" project
― ksh, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link
i am gonna look into these foucault lectures because they sound right up my alley but that means i will probably not read them for another 4 years because that's what i do :(
― harbl, Thursday, 17 June 2010 23:01 (thirteen years ago) link
first book of Derrida's lectures was published last year too
― ksh, Thursday, 17 June 2010 23:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I thought jakobson and the structuralists was the key to derridas but I come from a lit theory background
― dyao, Thursday, 17 June 2010 23:17 (thirteen years ago) link
by the way any philosophy book is improved 1000% if you imagine zizek reading it to you in his voice
― dyao, Thursday, 17 June 2010 23:18 (thirteen years ago) link
i sometimes make lectury gestures when i am reading philosophy bc i am explning it to myself
― plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 23:26 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm philosophy
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 23:33 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost yeah me too! (not in public tho, I don't have the stones fer that)
zizek's voice is great, and I have sometimes imitated it (in my head or aloud) while reading his stuff, but never thought of using it for other things. heh.
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 23:34 (thirteen years ago) link
i think when i read derrida i imagine it in Dennis Hopper's voice
― sarahel, Friday, 18 June 2010 00:19 (thirteen years ago) link
50 Philosophy Blogs!
http://onlinechristiancolleges.net/50-philosophy-blogs-to-help-you-find-the-meaning-of-life/
― Mordy, Saturday, 19 June 2010 00:09 (thirteen years ago) link
only two from that list I recognize/read sometimes are Larval Subjects and Object-Oriented Philosophy. but I still don't understand their whole "speculative realism" steeze.
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Saturday, 19 June 2010 03:01 (thirteen years ago) link
there's a speculative realism collection on its way, you can learn soon! Although really I don't think it's much of anything at all, beyond very broad sweeps like being a strain of continental thought that takes science more seriously and tries to put together more positive projects after years of deconstructive negativity and such.
― NYC Goatse.cx and Flowers (Merdeyeux), Saturday, 19 June 2010 10:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm pretty sure Levinas studied under Heidegger, making the whole nazism and turn away from Heidegger all the more dramatic.
― Tonight I Dine on Turtle Soup (EDB), Saturday, 19 June 2010 13:35 (thirteen years ago) link
just got Quentin Meillasoux's After Finitude from Amazon -- anyone read it?
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Sunday, 20 June 2010 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link
YES!
― ksh, Sunday, 20 June 2010 17:31 (thirteen years ago) link
it's excellent!
I'll need to read it many more times before I really understand it, but the stuff about the ancestral is so good
― ksh, Sunday, 20 June 2010 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link
cool thread! current readings: Deleuze - The Logic of SenseFoucault - The Order of ThingsSelected Writings of Nicholas of Cusaand as always reading and re-reading Peirce for my dissertation.
anyone here into radical constructivism or second order cybernetics? (Heinz von Foerster, Spencer-Brown, Humberto Maturana, Niklas Luhmann, Francisco Varela, etc etc) Not philosophy proper but in truth i think it sheds a lot of light in that direction.
― ryan, Sunday, 20 June 2010 17:40 (thirteen years ago) link