Can someone explain Ayn Rand to me?!

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im stickin' up for my brethren. slackers, leechers, moochers, 'parasites' wastes of space unite, or don't, it's entirely up to y....i wannna slee...zzzzzzzzzzz
"Thus, Objectivism contends, the fundamental right of human beings is the right to life. By this phrase Objectivism means the right to act in furtherance of one's own life — not the right to have one's life protected, or to have one's survival guaranteed, by the involuntary effort of other human beings"

i guess this is the ultimate implication that bothers me.

like, ok, this is an incredibly extreme hypothetical scnario, but say im living in a fully completely 100% Objectivist society. i'm dying of a potentially fatal but treatable lung cancer. i don't want to die, but i'm poor. i made a lot of unwise life decisions, but i'm not a horrible person, i haven't wronged others. i have no family, no nice neighbors. i can't afford treatment. there are no government 'handouts' for me or anyone. private, free treatment centers exist but are not required by law to take me in if they don't want to. and for the purpose of this argument, let's say the folks running the ones i try to admit myself into reject me for whatever reason. eventually there are no avenues left. do i deserve to die because i did not work smarter to get into a place where i could pay for my treatment?
i dunno what im saying anyway. my neck hurts!
(no doubt for any of a billion contemptible reasons, most of which revolve around misdirected jealousy)

OMG W R JUST JELOUS!

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 17 April 2006 10:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Engaging with an Objectivist is a lot like debating Theology with a Scientologist.

Mingus Realty (noodle vague), Monday, 17 April 2006 11:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Jake,

How do we look from up on that precipice? Like ants? I'm glad that you, above all others, has the "correct" interpretation of Rand's philosophy to which she failed to live up.

For those here who want to begin studying rational philosophical thought, I recommend avoiding all areas of philosophy beyond basic Rand

How is this any different from religion? Kids, don't read any scriptural criticism or any philosophical work that predates our sacred text! It might contradict or draw attention to issues with our work.

The harsh romanticizing of personal work and economics that Rand engages in borders on single-minded ridiculousness. Is it at all possible that someone's life's work could be raising their own child, or that someone could be satisfied with putting in a mind-numbing day of mediocre work in trade for an enjoyable social life? Both of these are completely reasonable yet the exact lifestyles that would be vilified as boring. Not everyone is dumbly stumbling through life and creating a system of nepotism, inefficiency, and protectionist controls on purpose. It just kind of happens sometimes when you're trying to accomplish things while having better things to do with your free time.

mike h. (mike h.), Monday, 17 April 2006 13:16 (eighteen years ago) link

http://friendbear.com/images/strips/245-001.gif

mike h. (mike h.), Monday, 17 April 2006 13:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Whoops, I failed at that. Here's friend bear's trip to the objectivist theme park: http://friendbear.com/strip.html?s_num=245

mike h. (mike h.), Monday, 17 April 2006 13:19 (eighteen years ago) link

post your favorite ayn rand quotes or stories

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true that. I was at a coffee shop last week & some college dude is earnestly & intensely talking up his ayn rand philosophy journal. if you are in a philosophy class, don't be that guy! if you are in an economics class where nobody has studied philosophy, you can probably get away with it.

For those here who want to begin studying rational philosophical thought, I recommend avoiding all areas of philosophy beyond basic Rand

Go you! Bon courage! Keep those blinders on tight! And whatever you do, don't ever develop a sense of humor.

dar1a g (daria g), Monday, 17 April 2006 14:07 (eighteen years ago) link

oops, xpost. the 'true that' was re: debating with a scientologist

dar1a g (daria g), Monday, 17 April 2006 14:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, the other explanation for Ayn Rand books still being around: American architects enjoy The Fountainhead for some perverse reason. I think because she figured out to mock bad architecture and praise artistic vision as a sublime concept, but they always seem to put on the blinders for the rest.

mike h. (mike h.), Monday, 17 April 2006 15:09 (eighteen years ago) link

objectivists be googlin!

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 17 April 2006 15:12 (eighteen years ago) link

(also condescendin!)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 17 April 2006 15:19 (eighteen years ago) link

from a Randroid course on existentialism: "This course will examine the roots of its appeal—and of its destructiveness. By carefully analyzing key Existentialist concepts, we will see how Existentialism hijacks the best within its student and hitches it to a life-destroying end."

Radical individualists seem to enjoy being told what to think, don't they?

Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Monday, 17 April 2006 15:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Atlas Shrugged, the O'Reilly Factor, what's the difference?

dar1a g (daria g), Monday, 17 April 2006 15:45 (eighteen years ago) link

HELPING IS FUTILE

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 17 April 2006 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

here we develop "the bottle within".

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 17 April 2006 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

we've got a place for babies like you - THE BOX!

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 17 April 2006 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 17 April 2006 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link

if you are in an economics class where nobody has studied philosophy, you can probably get away with it.

actually, any economics student who spouted out randian nonsense in class at my college would have either (a) been mocked mercilessly (amongst those who cared); or (b) been met with total indifference. and since my undergrad school was the one that sprang milton friedman on the world (a fact the econ. dep't never let econ. majors forget), that's saying something.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 03:32 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

I was told today that the real victims of oppression are those in "the productive class."

milo z, Friday, 7 September 2007 22:51 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

pretty funny radio interview here with al ruddy, who spent years trying to make an atlas shrugged movie. his descriptions of dealing with rand and the randians are great.

tipsy mothra, Monday, 10 November 2008 22:41 (fifteen years ago) link

Whoa you are whistling for Vision (or whatevs his name is) to come rail hotly & obfusticate meaning.

Abbott of the Trapezoid Monks (Abbott), Monday, 10 November 2008 22:42 (fifteen years ago) link

haha. i think ruddy describes objectivists as being crazier than scientologists. anyway, the actual link to listen is on this page. on the plus side, he says ayn was pretty sexy.

tipsy mothra, Monday, 10 November 2008 22:47 (fifteen years ago) link

lolz Vision is a rand fan? that explains a lot

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 10 November 2008 22:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Whenever I read Garu G's posts I like to picture Ayn Rand.
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 01:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 10 November 2008 22:52 (fifteen years ago) link

Seen on a 'staff recommendations' shelf in a local Waterstone's: Atlas Shrugged (or was it The Fountainhead), with the hand-written card declaring that "it is hard to come up with rational arguments against her philosophy".

ledge, Monday, 10 November 2008 23:02 (fifteen years ago) link

Q: Does pompous certainty disbar you from being a philosopher or does it make you a particular kind of philosopher?

Have Your Sega (Noodle Vague), Monday, 10 November 2008 23:11 (fifteen years ago) link

I bet there is a Dinosaur Comics about that!

Abbott of the Trapezoid Monks (Abbott), Monday, 10 November 2008 23:12 (fifteen years ago) link

Whoa you are whistling for Vision (or whatevs his name is) to come rail hotly & obfusticate meaning.

― Abbott of the Trapezoid Monks (Abbott), Monday, November 10, 2008 10:42 PM (30 minutes ago)

Haha! First thing I thought of!

I know, right?, Monday, 10 November 2008 23:20 (fifteen years ago) link

It is great when he makes fun of your user name. Great!

Abbott of the Trapezoid Monks (Abbott), Monday, 10 November 2008 23:21 (fifteen years ago) link

No, no it really isn't.

I know, right?, Monday, 10 November 2008 23:22 (fifteen years ago) link

I mean "enormously silly and childish."

Abbott of the Trapezoid Monks (Abbott), Monday, 10 November 2008 23:23 (fifteen years ago) link

thankyou

Vision (I know, right?), Monday, 10 November 2008 23:25 (fifteen years ago) link

That is usually what I mean when I say something is "great," which comes from a childhood of not being allowed to use "bad words."

Abbott of the Trapezoid Monks (Abbott), Monday, 10 November 2008 23:26 (fifteen years ago) link

That's a great word. ; )

I know, right?, Monday, 10 November 2008 23:29 (fifteen years ago) link

Ah, the mot juste.

Have Your Sega (Noodle Vague), Monday, 10 November 2008 23:33 (fifteen years ago) link

three months pass...

qpl, Saturday, 7 March 2009 16:50 (fifteen years ago) link

She looks like Greenspan with a wig.

Goth As A Moth (Bimble), Saturday, 7 March 2009 20:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Well, she DOES have a sense of humor (not really exhibited in her books unfortunately) -- and lol @ how she loves "charlie's angels" and how much she sounds like Alan Alda or David Van Driessen re how "real men" should not suppress their feelings.

LOLBJ (Eisbaer), Saturday, 7 March 2009 20:30 (fifteen years ago) link

Who cares if Atlas shrugs now? He's already dropped the planet.

M.V., Sunday, 8 March 2009 03:19 (fifteen years ago) link

Can you say "conservative cunts" boys and girls? I knew you could!

Goth As A Moth (Bimble), Sunday, 8 March 2009 03:37 (fifteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

Ayn Rand's zombie presence makes perfect sense. Indeed, her lit cred, thoroughly middlebrow and thus utterly American, lends her capitalist fantasies some theoretical weight. Rand fancied herself as high-minded, an intellectual counterbalance to Karl Marx. In truth, Rand was closer to Walt Disney, minus the Mouse King's showbiz flair. Each used cartoons to convey their message. Both were dedicated anti-communists, hostile to organized labor, friendly to the post-war Red Scare. Only Rand felt that the U.S. government wasn't going deep enough in uprooting commies, primarily those in Hollywood, hypnotizing Middle America with phony smiles and pretty songs while undermining free enterprise and its besieged supporters....

Heller also note(s) that Rand considered the dollar sign "a better symbol than the cross, because it didn't require the sacrifice of anybody." I trust that Heller doesn't share this ahistorical view. Not only have the cross and dollar enjoyed a lucrative, long-running alliance, the dollar requires massive sacrifice across the planet. Poverty, starvation, environmental damage and genocidal violence are some of the dollar's greatest hits. Use any calculator you like to tally the body count under state socialism, and it'll explode when computing the ongoing ravages of global capitalism.

http://dennisperrin.blogspot.com/2009/11/atlas-insolvent.html

Your Favorite Saturday Night Thing (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 November 2009 19:32 (fourteen years ago) link

Indeed, her lit cred

what??????????????????? she has no lit cred.

TGAAPQ (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 4 November 2009 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link

w/ people who buy books, and biographers, apparently

Your Favorite Saturday Night Thing (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 November 2009 19:39 (fourteen years ago) link


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