San Francisco and what to do in it

pizza for pick up is either delfina or little star, but tony's is the best pizza i've had in SF.

oh yeah, I guess I meant places that deliver - most (if they deliver at all) seem to do free delivery within the city, right? Deja Vu do. Voodoo.

Tony's looks niiiice!

my favorite SF pizza delivery was Victor's, but my impression is their delivery area is small (nob hill, russian hill, polk) Escape from NY is okay for a chain delivery place.

Have you guys been to the Hyde Out bar on I think Hyde and California? I had a lot of fun there

i think i just heard paxti's might start delivering soon. but don't quote me on that

re: pizza I pretty much just go with either Twin Peaks or Zante's. nothin fancy

will walk to Escape from NY if necessary tho

tbh, i'm quite fond of Round Table for delivery. i know there are haters, but the wife grew up on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Sylvian#1993:_With_Robert_Fripp
A period of relative musical inactivity followed, during which Sylvian and Ingrid Chavez moved from Minnesota to the Napa Valley. Chavez had given birth to two daughters, Ameera-Daya (born 1993) and Isabelle (born 1996), and pursued her interest in photography and music.

yeah but they got divorced ages ago. I think I read about him making blemish in new england somewhere. I could be wrong. he could be moaning about a vineyard right now.

Ian: two crust punks from sf (assuming based on CA driver's license and oakland raiders cap) paid with platinum credit cards today.

went to bar crudo for the first time on friday and was shocked at how good it was. flavors i wasn't expecting left and right. usually fusion adds asian elements to non asian foods but this went the other direction (sashimi with french/spanish flavors?). best soup i've ever had (it must have at least 20 sticks of butter per cup) and we left only paying 45$ each including wine and beer. stoked.

Crudo's good.

It's expensive for what you get imo. Haven't been to the new location oddly.

also jax: crudo = italian. it def fits your first definition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crudo

jeez i cant believe i missed the pizza question!

delfina sux dont go there
beretta is $50000 a slice it's stupid and even an egg on top cant make the crust good fellas
i appreciate serrano's no-BS approach, but their slices are only B+
escape from NY is good; fresh slice of u-say-potato is a good time
arinell's is v good; probably my favorite standard slice in the city
blondie's reminds me of pizza at the pool growing up and i liked the pool but it's not actually good
lanesplitter is okay but they burn it too often but i like beer w pizza and their beer selection is chill
zante somehow makes the best crust in SF and it's NAAN -- too expensive for a slice-place, but the veg indian pizza is truly something to get high and eat
flour+water's pizza is embarrassing, but i like their atmosphere and non-pizza food, and they played slanted and enchanted last time i was there, and that is a direction i approve of for FINE DINING
pizza man in oakland is infamous for sucking, but aside from being about 2in too thick, they kinda dont do a horrible job. plus $2.50 for a huge slice and a coke.

i dont like chicago-style, but i hear zachary's is kind of a cool experience if you just suspend judging it on a PIZZA basis, and just pretend it's some random alien food.

serrano's is actually B- sorry i slipped

if you like chicago-style, Zachary's is truly awesome pizza

yeah, i think i gotta try it sometime...

69 you sux. pete let's do scrabble at tony's sometime. i'd like to get your opinion of it.

dust off yr MAXILLAE

Zachary's isn't in SF

chill

there isn't an "Oakland and what to do in it" thread

not get shot

visit Fairyland

Emilia's in Berkeley is the best east bay pizza.

some of us would have to borrow kids to go to Fairyland

there is most def an Oakland thread (started by ADAMRL) and even a Berkeley thread if you so desire.

Little Star>>>Zachary's

not sure if that many >'s, but yeah, it is pretty good.

haha

The best Bay Area pizza I had (best ever! in fact) was Gioia which is not in San Francisco. But if you want good pizza you might have to cross that bridge, bitches.

When does Una Pizza Napoletana open up?

berkeley has a ridiculous amount of great pizza places for a city its size

i hear the arinell's in berkeley pales in comparison to the mission location?

sarah you can borrow my kid

i still sometimes eat zachary's but little star's much better deep dish pretty much ruined it for me. I actually like zachary's thin crust pizzas a little more these days, I think they are completely serviceable.

emilia's is good but not markedly better than gioia or however it's spelled.

arinell's in berkeley is terrible, or was the last time I ate there, which was 12 years ago.

i see everyone also said everything I said (bar the bit about sarah borrowing my son) so I should just shut up

okay, i have to try little star now.

it's amazing. their ingredients are very fresh, particularly the tomatos. zachary's taste like they have canned sauce in comparison.

guys, just to reiiterate: Tony's in SF won the WORLD PIZZA CUP in 2007. In Naples, Italy. The first non-native Italian pizza maker to win this distinction!

there's nothing that compares in my opinion, although I think the 69 is seriously under-rating Delfina and flour+water (or needs to go to those places with me). his short shrift dismissal is pretty "whoa".

Pizza in Naples sucks

let me guess, you spilled some all over your computer?

flour+water is pretty great and right around the corner from my house. always a line out the door too. I felt stupid when we went there because everyone ended up ordering the same thing (by mistake), didn't really get a sense of the rest of their menu at all

Tony's is great but I still prefer the pizzas I make at home. Can't wait for Giuliana's in the Metro hotel, though, since it'll be 1/25 blocks from my house.

I haven't done flour+water but Delfina's pizza is pretty good so I'm no really sure where 69 is coming from. Yeah, it's fancy pants and all but I had a fiddlehead fern/ricotta pizza there (albeit ages ago) that I still recall quite fondly.

basically, im just not hurtin for fancy pizza ever, and there's always six places in any big city that do it fine. coppi's, 2amy's, and pizzeria paradiso in DC; delfina, flour+water, and a16 in SF. and it's FINE! and ive never had pizza in naples, but ive had it in sorrento and venice and florence and rome, and all these american places are doing FINE at DOC-style pizza.

but like, i just want a great NY-style slice, and i cant understand why that is so hard to find here! the ideal is koronet in manhattan, but (and i understand this is a rare opinion) DC jumbo slice from adams morgan pizza boli's (not really the same as the normal pizza boli's slice, so cant really be compared to their non-jumbo delivery style) is better than any slice ive gotten in SF. my other DC pizza favorites (baffetto's, vace, astor mediterranean) are kind of non-standard slices, so its not like DC is busting at the seams with great slices either, but it's there!

btw y'all should definitely go to flour and water, if not for the pizza! maybe the same is true for delfina; ive never had anything but pizza there...

mario batalli (i know ymmv) said that the pasta chef at flour + water is the best in the usa, maybe the world (but to be fair this was when that chef was at spruce).

batalli is bomb. just saying. babbo and both mozza's are amazing.

everything i had at flour + water was amazing (except for a weirdly cooked fish). i'm w/pete on fancy pizza. could take it or leave it. delfina is meh to me. i'll still rep for pizzaiolo in temescal