Why Do (some) Men Hate Women?

...the last 2 times people were interviewed for jobs in my bit of the company, its been expressly said, "well, you wouldnt really want a girl working here would you? i mean, if shed gone and done something youd need to go and check cuz you wouldnt trust itd been done properly".

last time we interviewed there was a girl, she was the most qualified of the 7 candidates, and the only one with hands on experience. she didnt get the job

the way most jobs work is, not who is the most skilled, but who will 'fit in' the most. this is why my team is 6 straight white males

I truly feel the tide has turned, and women have more rights than men!
Stephen- Where are you from?
This does not have to be a competition. It's about equal rights.

lizzie, Please stop shouting! :)

Number of countries where women earn as much as men: zero. Number of women in the top 100 earning directors in the UK: zero. Number of women killed a year by their male partners in the UK: >100.

Obviously that doesn't weigh much against female reporters being allowed into male locker rooms...

what, all women?

i guess all guys like baseball too? gee, how about those knicks!

Stephen Ancroid, I wasn't joking, I was too irritable to be making jokes. Why don't you haul your Thai penis-severing "epidemic" over to the 'Make a bold claim' thread? To imply that Thailand is in the grips of extreme feminism, when the truth is that many Thai women and children are living lives of sexual enslavement, is patently ridiculous.

I don't care too much about the great locker room scandal. I see it as pre- rather than post-feminist, with the discrepancy based in the idea that men are seeing subjects and women are looked-upon objects. A subject would not be diminished by an object, therefore there could be no loss of power for a naked man who was confronted by a women, but the reverse would not be true. I think women would like to have the freedom to walk around freely in their bodies without being harrassed and objectified. It is sort of a cheek for men to complain about this issue.

I agree there are problems with family law, but I do think women, notable exceptions aside, still bear the main brunt of child-rearing and the law is trying to equitably address this (although indisputably failing in some instances). More women are living in poverty due to parenthood than men.

Finally, I don't think hatred between men and women solves any of these problems. I take issue with you coming on to a thread titled "Why do (some) men hate women" and raising these dubious points, the inference being that they justify misogyny.

With what form of sexual violence should abusive women be punished, then?

I think the angle of Heather's statment might be along the lines of "if thy hand offends thee cut it off." (or something)

When a man uses his penis as a weapon to assault others many people (not just victims) have a primal urge to deprive him of this weapon. Have you never, at any time or on any level, thought of hurting a child rapist?

However one of the things that makes our system of government great is that we have a judicial system that, ideally, acts objectively and keeps the rights of even the accused in mind. If victims and their loved ones were allowed to mete out justice there would be a lot of hobbled assholes walking around this world.

And also b/c ILx is a passel of irreverant, tasteless, incorrigable cockfarmers.

need i say more?

I barely know who Phil Donahue is - an American talk show host, yes? Is he a feminist?

Good -- I can agree with that. :-)

I was preparing a longer post (I haven't decided whether I'll post it yet), but basically, my feeling is that cultural attitudes towards sexual violence against men, and sexual violence against women, are, if not two sides of the same coin, then at least very deeply related, and that it'll be exceedingly difficult to build the kind of society we'd like if we don't acknowledge that. (How are they related? Not just in a Newtonian way, but also as symptoms of the same fundamental human failure to treat other human lives with reverence and respect.)

(And no, I'm not under the impression that there's an epidemic of penis-severing going on!)

Another factor: divorce. It's such a harmful thing; there
are published studies that show that broken-home kids
are generally unhappier than nuclear kids; but I go further
and theorize (not from personal experience, but from the
anecdotal evidence of discussing this with other boys and
men))Many boys learn to despise their mothers and blame them
for "ditching dad" no matter what the circumstances - even
if the mother was justified; it's even worse when the
divorce is frivolous...

That was a racist thing to say squirrel.

When it comes to murder by a partner in this country, the favouritism seems to go the other way - there are multiple cases of men successfully arguing provocation on the basis of infidelity or nagging (yes, nagging!), whereas years of serious physical and mental and sexual abuse has been repeatedly rejected as provocation.

Who's laughing and making jokes? Other men! No one who's been the victim of sexual violence would make these jokes. So that means the "1 in 3 women" who are such victims are not the cause of any trivilization.

Most insults involve a threat of being lessened by the act of penetration: get fucked, you suck, blow me, etc, etc. Also, generally the worst thing you can call someone is a cunt. Women and gay men are objects of derision in our discourse because they are on the receiving end of the phallus. When Bobbit lost his penis he lost his stature. I agree it was mainly men making most of the jokes; I don't think it is funny to be considered inferior because you either don't have a penis or because you have had one inside you.

That's just not true. I've known more than one woman who, when hearing of the conviction of a man of whom she thought ill, jokingly suggested he be careful not to "drop the soap". There are plenty of movies where a cheating husband receives a blow to the groin, or worse, from his partner, and it's almost invariably treated as an empowering gesture. One of the signature moves of the lesbian comic strip character Hothead Paisan was a kick to the groin of any man who crossed her -- and it's been years since I saw the comic, but even in Hothead Paisan's comic world I don't think every single man who received one of those kicks was a rapist or pedophile. And as I said above, there have been posters who have been making jokes on ILE about cutting off men's penises, and those posters have been female.

I think it was very shocking for you to accuse me of
racism.

Any explanation for this shocking and apparently
unfounded accusation?

When did race enter the discussion?

I just know I'm a "Behind the Music" junkie and most
of the big rappers seem to come from broken homes.
I've seen the statistics; Regardless of race, the inner
city poor have a lot of familial problems that go along
with their other social problems.

re: women who sleep w/young boys and relatively light sentences. The attitude I hear a lot is almost a winking "well, she's doing those boys a good service", kind of thing--again, a predominantly male viewpoint. This attitude I think is largely responsible for lighter sentencing in these cases.

These are wide ranging from custody arrangements and child support arangements to sexual and violence charges that only exist for men and not women, to complusary millitary service/draft laws for men. Visit any "mens rights/activism" forum to hear bitter divorced men moan endlessly about such hypocrisay and unfairness....

I dont blame women for such inequality but rather the apathy of men in to such issues, generally discrimination and equality in society is viewed by many males as a female/race issue not a male one.