Rank Brian DePalma's Films

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I'm not sure why Femme Fatale is higher than Snake Eyes on my list actually. But yeah I thought it was pretty stupid film whereas The Untouchables is a just a nice solid gangster film to me. In retrospect, Wiseguys is probably a film I like better than The Untouchables while Snakes Eyes and Carlito's Way are probably better than Femme Fatale, but really who cares. Depalma's a filmmaker I am never bored by but whose films for the most part tend to only be good in moments and complete messes as whole pieces. But if you watch films for magical moments then I can see why he'd be your director. He has a lot of them and they really do impress.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 30 September 2006 23:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Magical moments. You make it sound as though I watch movies like Corky St. Clair.

Well, maybe I do. A lot of my favorite movies are less than 10 minutes long, but I don't take issue with films' inability to sustain for two hours or more, otherwise I wouldn't be interested in movies, much less list A Grin without a Cat as one of my very favorites.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 30 September 2006 23:28 (seventeen years ago) link

More Untouchables hate here.

Ruud Comes to Haarvest (Ken L), Saturday, 30 September 2006 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link

And here.

Ruud Comes to Haarvest (Ken L), Saturday, 30 September 2006 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Garcia was my favorite Untouchable.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 1 October 2006 00:21 (seventeen years ago) link

updated!

Dressed To Kill
Blow Out
Casualties Of War
The Fury
Carrie
The Wedding Party
Femme Fatale
Hi, Mom!
Phantom Of The Paradise
The Untouchables
Snake Eyes
Mission: Impossible
Sisters
Carlito's Way
Greetings
Body Double
Scarface
Black Dahlia
Raising Cain
Mission To Mars
Bonfire Of The Vanities

(I'm probably buying Home Movies next month, too)

Zwan (miccio), Sunday, 1 October 2006 01:07 (seventeen years ago) link

i think you might be overrating 'the black dahlia'!

gear (gear), Sunday, 1 October 2006 01:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Is that long, slo-mo, narrative momentum-killing Amy Irving escape sequence in The Fury a "magical moment"?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 1 October 2006 17:29 (seventeen years ago) link

You not deliberately goading me would be a magical moment, though perhaps not as believable.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 1 October 2006 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Garcia was my favorite Untouchable

I just rescreened Internal Affairs. He's so much more interesting when not called upon to "act."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 2 October 2006 00:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Dude's performance in 8 Million Ways To Die is more Scarface than Scarface.

Zwan (miccio), Monday, 2 October 2006 03:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I woulda dropped the goading if you hadn't called Sidney Poitier a terrible actor.

Alex, what exactly is so "awful" about the climax of Femme Fatale? It's ludicrous and funny in exactly the appropriate way, just as many of Hitchcock's or Cronenberg's are.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 October 2006 12:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Well Cronenberg maybe--Hitchcock would have handled it differently and better. I mostly thought it was ludicrous and stupid. Maybe I wasn't in the right mood though.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 2 October 2006 13:51 (seventeen years ago) link

"Ludicrous and funny" describe just about every climax Hitchcock and De Palma have ever filmed.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 2 October 2006 14:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe Sidney Poitier was just miscast his entire career. He may have been more effective in John Waters films.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 2 October 2006 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Sidney Poitier was boring, not terrible.

Maybe Sidney Poitier was just miscast his entire career.

Remember that remark of Pauline Kael's about Meryl Streep -- that she's made a career out of being miscast?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 2 October 2006 17:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Clever, not accurate. (ie Kael in a nutshell)

I just got that anthology of US film critics from the library, and skimmed the long famous P.K. essay "Trash, Art and the Movies" or whatever the hell it's called... and given the way she makes clear that the "trash" she finds pleasurable (eg, The Thomas Crown Affair and Wild in the Streets) is NOT ART, it's amazing she could consider De Palma an artist, rather than a giddy trashmaker. (Oh, also "not art": 2001.)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 October 2006 18:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Clever, not accurate. (ie Kael in a nutshell)

otm

gear (gear), Monday, 2 October 2006 18:04 (seventeen years ago) link

It's pretty clear, Morbs, that only Blow Out and Casualties of War qualify on the Kael-o-meter as art. Despite her love for Dressed to Kill, she acknowledged that it was "just" marvelous entertaiment.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 2 October 2006 20:06 (seventeen years ago) link

There is no such thing as "accuracy" in film criticism.

Poitier's status as an icon for his times is fine with me, even worth celebrating. But he was an awful actor. (Indeed, I'm surprised I don't like him more because of it.)

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 2 October 2006 20:37 (seventeen years ago) link

He had a sexual aggression in No Way Out which he sadly never pursued again.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 2 October 2006 20:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I dunno. I thought Richard Widmark was way randier in that one.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 2 October 2006 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link

If you'd said Pickup on South Street, count me in the menage.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 2 October 2006 20:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Separating "marvelous entertainment" from "art" is inaccurate (as is making shit up about the genesis of Citizen Kane). But I'll have more to say on that elsewhere...

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 13:14 (seventeen years ago) link

"elsewhere"?

For all her perception the collaborative and serendipitous nature of film, plus the inevitable compromises, repelled her, and why she was given to creating these polarities. I'd be uncomfortable comparing Citizen Kane directly with any modernist novel, but she couldn't accept the picture as anything other than an extremely well-acted and shot newspaper comedy a la Ben Hecht.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 13:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, we're kinda getting away from BdP here, and I wouldn't even go so far as labeling PK as De Palma's "kingmaker." (ie, it's not entirely her fault ppl should be talking about Philip Kaufman and Paul Mazursky more than BdP.) "Raising Kane" sorta reminds me of Marc Antony's funeral oration: "It's a SHALLOW masterpiece -- but Orson is an honorable man..."

Once baseball is over I want to get to Casualties of War, Body Double and maybe Obsession.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 14:10 (seventeen years ago) link

the Black Dahlia is one of the very worst films I have ever seen at the cinema

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Monday, 9 October 2006 21:21 (seventeen years ago) link

i just actualy saw dressed to kill the other night for the first time, it's great!

latebloomer: just raw dead fucking, babies! (latebloomer), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 02:05 (seventeen years ago) link

four years pass...

wish this thread would've continued...

circa1916, Thursday, 24 March 2011 07:24 (thirteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Watched Dressed to Kill last night -- there's an awful lot to like about it, but that Pino Donaggio score is nails-on-blackboard horrible, imo.

330,003 Luftballons (WilliamC), Tuesday, 4 February 2014 15:09 (ten years ago) link

That's cool.

Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Tuesday, 4 February 2014 15:10 (ten years ago) link

seven months pass...

can't believe I waited so long to watch Body Double

what an enjoyably ridiculous film

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 15:50 (nine years ago) link

1. Scarface
2. Carrie
3. Phantom of the Paradise

the rest are terrible

^^^posts I regret

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 15:51 (nine years ago) link

"Enjoyably ridiculous"--good description. Kael ripped it apart, but I think it's well worth watching. The villain's make-up job when in disguise is of course atrocious.

clemenza, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 16:04 (nine years ago) link

no one ever told me about the Frankie Goes to Hollywood bit, or the driller-killer bite, or the lolz closing credits sequence

DePalma's range is limited but there is something audaciously brazen in it that is compelling

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 16:09 (nine years ago) link

Melanie Griffith's really good, and I kind of like Craig Wasson, even though it's possibly a terrible performance...I find it hard to separate the character's annoying helplessness from the quality of the performance.

clemenza, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 17:03 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

Someone persuade me I should see Raising Cain in 35mm tonight. I do like Lithgow, it's apparently lacking in any attempt at depth whatsoever, and runs only 91 minutes.

helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 15:07 (seven years ago) link

Lithgow is good and Steven Bauer is hot but it's even more preposterous than usual.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 15:14 (seven years ago) link

well my fave film of his might be Femme Fatale so that wdn't figure to bother me.

helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 15:18 (seven years ago) link

I couldnt make it through Raising Cain fwiw. "Preposterous" is an apt description.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 15:31 (seven years ago) link

Femme Fatale has way less dialogue and "acting."

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 16:45 (seven years ago) link

wasn't sure if Femme Fatale was worth seeing, I will check it out. post mid-80s De Palma seems really hit or miss.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 16:46 (seven years ago) link

Anyone seen the De Palma documentary? I was harassing s1ocki about it on twitter, since I think it opened at the TIFF Lightbox right after I left Toronto

μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 18:01 (seven years ago) link

I'm planning on seeing it eventually

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 18:07 (seven years ago) link

"wasn't sure if Femme Fatale was worth seeing, I will check it out. post mid-80s De Palma seems really hit or miss."

I like it. Snake Eyes is also good (starts really strong, kinda flames out halfway through).

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 18:10 (seven years ago) link

My memory is more forgiving of these films than my post of 2005 would suggest hah.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 18:11 (seven years ago) link

I think I started watching Snake Eyes and turned it off after the long opening shot ended lol

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 18:13 (seven years ago) link

wasn't sure if Femme Fatale was worth seeing

it's incredible, though you do have to put up with some brain-gouging "sexy" biz. morbs otm.

oculus lump (contenderizer), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 18:15 (seven years ago) link

Saw somewhere that BdP disses The Fury in the doc, which is the best thing i've read about a minor artist since the Soul Coughing guy said those records were crap.

helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 18:19 (seven years ago) link

I like Fury too.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 18:21 (seven years ago) link


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