oh wait I forgot about mccain oops
vietnam prison was his harvard
― iatee, Sunday, 18 July 2010 02:51 (fourteen years ago) link
http://rachelmarsden.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/bush_rugby.jpg
― dyao, Sunday, 18 July 2010 02:53 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.quickanded.com/2010/11/why-not-yale.html
― iatee, Sunday, 14 November 2010 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2012/8/30/academic-dishonesty-ad-board/
― iatee, Friday, 31 August 2012 00:46 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I have been boggling at that on Facebook
the most intersting comment was "was this rampant cheating or a really terrible teacher creating confusion" and the sad thing is that I could easily see either or some combination of both being true
― Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Friday, 31 August 2012 01:21 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/29/opinion/elite-colleges-are-as-foreign-as-mars.html
― i've a cozy little flat in what is known as old man hat (Hurting 2), Monday, 1 April 2013 15:35 (eleven years ago) link
Until then, is it any wonder that students in Pahrump and throughout rural America are more likely to end up in Afghanistan than at N.Y.U.?
you are less likely to end up dead at nyu but it's def ruined some lives
― iatee, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 02:23 (eleven years ago) link
For deans of admissions brainstorming what they can do to remedy this, might I suggest: anything.
niiice
― attempt to look intentionally nerdy, awkward or (thomp), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 02:27 (eleven years ago) link
Most parents like mine, who had never gone to college, were either intimidated or oblivious (and sometimes outright hostile) to the intricacies of college admissions and financial aid.
I didn't even know how to go about financial aid or where to start - my school expected parents to step in and offer guidance, I suppose.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 02:54 (eleven years ago) link
OTOH, I don't think the problem is "rural kids underserved by Harvard and Stanford," I think the problem is that Directional State U is treated as little more than a waystation for handing out Bachelors of Business Administration by society/the state/etc..
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 02:58 (eleven years ago) link
http://gawker.com/this-personal-essay-will-get-you-into-columbia-478217730
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 20:14 (eleven years ago) link
Is there anything that I can do, a lot of young people have written to ask me, to avoid becoming an out-of-touch, entitled little shit?
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/118747/ivy-league-schools-are-overrated-send-your-kids-elsewhere
― o. nate, Monday, 28 July 2014 14:34 (ten years ago) link
Counterpoint: http://doctorcleveland.blogspot.co.il/2014/07/snobs-vs-ivy-league-or-question-of-bill.html?m=1
― Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Monday, 28 July 2014 14:36 (ten years ago) link
That counterpoint seemed a bit wide of the mark to me. I didn't get the impression that the piece was really suggesting that underprivileged youth who are lucky enough to win the lottery and get into an Ivy should turn it down for a state school where they'd have to struggle. That would be crazy. Also, I doubt the author wrote the title himself. Seems like it was cooked up by an editor angling for page-views.
Here's another take:
Mr. Deriesiewicz seems shocked, shocked to discover that 250+-year-old institutions charging rack rates north of $60,000 per year to convey some tangled Latin prose on sheepskin to spotty youngsters at the end of four or more years--institutions for which the combined endowments exceed the gross national products of several small countries--should be complicit in the perpetuation and justification of entrenched socioeconomic power structures. Whence, exactly, did Mr. D think these universities' wealth, status, and prestige come from? Whence the demand for their services? From whom?
http://epicureandealmaker.blogspot.ae/2014/07/improve-yourself.html
― o. nate, Monday, 28 July 2014 20:05 (ten years ago) link
https://tvline.com/2019/03/12/felicity-huffman-indicted-lori-loughlin-ivy-league-bribe/
Desperate Housewives vet Felicity Huffman and Fuller House‘s Lori Loughlin have been indicted for allegedly taking part in a large scheme involving parents who paid bribes of up to $6 million to get their kids into elite colleges, including Harvard and Yale, ABC News is reporting.The indictment was filed by the United States Attorney for the District of Massachusetts; the documents were unsealed early Tuesday.
The indictment was filed by the United States Attorney for the District of Massachusetts; the documents were unsealed early Tuesday.
― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 14:46 (five years ago) link
More: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/feds-uncover-massive-college-entrance-exam-cheating-plot-n982136
― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 15:01 (five years ago) link
US Attorney re the Huffman/Loughlin (among others) college scam: "We're not talking about donating a building...we're talking about fraud."— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) March 12, 2019
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 16:16 (five years ago) link
As Gabriel Malor said in response: "Ew, new money. How gauche."
As someone who grew up near San Diego, this is easily the funniest detail so far:
Feds dunking on USD pic.twitter.com/45RbCKy8sx— Jon Sarlin (@jonsarlin) March 12, 2019
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 16:17 (five years ago) link
Hoo boy
Here you can see Lori Laughlin's daughter's "college dorm room tour," in which she says pretty much everything in the room was comped by Amazon (presumably so she'd mention that repeatedly to the 1.1 million people who've watched the video) https://t.co/YlWrIUa0PW— Joshua Benton (@jbenton) March 12, 2019
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 16:22 (five years ago) link
The good thing about William H. Macy being involved in a scandal is that his middle initial is readily available for me to express my astonished disappointment in him.
― ☮ (peace, man), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 16:37 (five years ago) link
Oh, this is illegal?
― Yerac, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 16:40 (five years ago) link
Per the indictment, Huffman and husband William H. Macy (who is not referenced by name) paid $15,000 to have someone take the SAT in place of their older daughter, which ultimately resulted in a 1420 SAT score for her. They also allegedly pursued doing the same for their younger daughter, but eventually decided against repeating their involvement in the scheme.Loughlin and Giannulli allegedly paid a total of $500,000 so that their two daughters would be designated as recruits to the USC crew team. Neither girl participated in the sport. Athletic recruits have a much better chance of admission than students who are not recruited.
Loughlin and Giannulli allegedly paid a total of $500,000 so that their two daughters would be designated as recruits to the USC crew team. Neither girl participated in the sport. Athletic recruits have a much better chance of admission than students who are not recruited.
damn
― omar little, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 16:42 (five years ago) link
i was under the impression that donating was more common thanthey're making it sound. i'm assuming what's not common ishaving another person take the SAT exam in your place. it seemslike a clumsy way to try to get into a college, though.
also, while ucla has a couple of pretty good programs, for the mostpart, the main reason it's "highly selective" is because they haveover 110,000 applicants a year.
there are transfer programs at community colleges that can prettymuch guarantee your admission to ucla and berkeley.
― John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 16:42 (five years ago) link
I see that maybe they "donated" the stupid way.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 16:43 (five years ago) link
legit shitty parenting
― omar little, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 16:45 (five years ago) link
Oh here's something fun.
What are your best “hacks” for the back-to-school season?— Felicity Huffman (@FelicityHuffman) August 25, 2016
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 16:46 (five years ago) link
I think I'd want a higher score for $15,000.
― jmm, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 16:49 (five years ago) link
la times article, which doesn't provide a wholelot of details:https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-college-admissions-scale-elite-schools-20190312-story.html
so apparently it's north of 40 people and this was since 2011.growing up, i definitely met a few people and parents that didthis. it's weird that all of a sudden they're busting people for it.
― John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 16:50 (five years ago) link
it's not that weird. this isn't the "donating to the school" thing, it's a fraudulent scheme
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 16:52 (five years ago) link
yeah they paid off athletic staff and coaches to accept their students as athletes when they weren't. This is above and beyond donating money. It's complete fraud and bribery. Fuck these people.
― akm, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 16:56 (five years ago) link
there were two options in the scheme. it was always sometype of "purchase." i'm sure they had to change it upa bit from time to time (i'm talking in the past 20 years)to avoid anyone not in on it to discover what wasgoing on.
― John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 16:56 (five years ago) link
Until then could you focus on your finals!😜 https://t.co/CtrtdIGR9f— Lori Loughlin (@LoriLoughlin) May 13, 2015
― omar little, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 16:59 (five years ago) link
The above was a lot cheaper than the legal 2.5mil that Kushner's criminal dad donated to Harvard before his acceptance.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:00 (five years ago) link
This thread!
In March 2008, @brianstelter wrote a story for @nytimes about how young people were getting news online. It's a pretty straightforward story — but there's one quote in it that still has an impact on debates about digital journalism today. 1/x https://t.co/3iQoWNHEzf— Joshua Benton (@jbenton) March 12, 2019
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:04 (five years ago) link
Whoops!
Felicity Huffman and William H. Macy's bribe to the guy who fixed their daughter's SAT scores was disguised as a charitable donation for "educational programs [for] disadvantaged youth." Charming. pic.twitter.com/HVJYnwqGRU— Angus Johnston (@studentactivism) March 12, 2019
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:13 (five years ago) link
― jmm, Tuesday, March 12, 2019 9:49 AM (twenty-four minutes ago)
hahaha considering this is the Ivy League thread ... I mean, I got that score when I took the test when I was 13. ... I could definitely use $15,000 rn, they should contact me
― sarahell, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:20 (five years ago) link
haha that's how you do a humblebrag, well played.
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:28 (five years ago) link
c'mon, this is the Ivy League thread ... it would be like going on a thread for "defending rich people" and saying your family had a yacht when you were a kid
― sarahell, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:32 (five years ago) link
and then another poster who is also "defending rich ppl" would say, "yes! my family also had a yacht! did you vacation in the hamptons or on martha's vineyard?"
― sarahell, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:33 (five years ago) link
i'm assuming what's not common ishaving another person take the SAT exam in your place.
I’m not sure why this wouldn’t be common when you can make $15k a time and there is barely anything to stop you.
― ShariVari, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:41 (five years ago) link
because it is easier to get caught? this type ofcorruption has been going on since i was a kid.
if you get higher than a specific score (not a high,though), but the board sees potential in you, theycan interview you and re-assess your qualificationsbased on other factors. the problem is the boardchanges every year or so, i believe?
― John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:44 (five years ago) link
I’m assuming this will lead to a crackdown on SAT administrators and low-level admissions staff at universities, and not on the upper echelons of university executives who have known about stuff like this going on for centuries
― but i'm there are fuckups (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:44 (five years ago) link
Like, Donald Trump got into the Wharton school at UPenn and did “very very well” even though though he’s clearly one of the dumbest people in North America
― but i'm there are fuckups (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:46 (five years ago) link
Ivy League = elaborate scam to make Dartmouth, Cornell and Brown seem like impressive places to have gone to school
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:49 (five years ago) link
yeah, there was talk of this when george w. bush waselected president.
― John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:50 (five years ago) link
I’m not sure it is that easy to get caught if you know what you’re doing, tbh. The College Board aiui has two main security mechanisms - ID check on the day and access to test-taker photographs in the event of any post-test query about identity. They’re both easily circumvented if you just find someone who looks sufficiently similar to you. Xps
― ShariVari, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:51 (five years ago) link
hahaha considering this is the Ivy League thread ...
ha, sorry, I wasn't being serious. ftr, I didn't take the SAT or go to a fancy school.
― jmm, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:52 (five years ago) link
According to his personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, Trump threatened to sue Wharton and UPenn if they released his grades, so "very very well" rests upon the word of a serial liar. However, I am willing to believe Trump is regressing and is measurably dumber now than when he was a young man.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:55 (five years ago) link
Okay so here's a good story on the goon who founded/ran this whole scam:
https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article227457069.html
Among other things:
Singer in 1988 was fired as boys basketball coach of Encina High School, with a district spokesman at the time only referring to it as a“personnel matter.” The Bee reported at the time that parents said Singer had an abusive nature toward referees.In the early 90s, Sacramento Bee archives show Singer was an assistant coach for Sacramento State’s men’s basketball team.
In the early 90s, Sacramento Bee archives show Singer was an assistant coach for Sacramento State’s men’s basketball team.
And of course though he's from Sacramento the scam was based out of Newport Beach. Why WOULDN'T it be based out of Newport Beach?
Also, the dude looks like this:
https://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/n6py9w/picture227458594/alternates/FREE_768/Rick-Singer.jpg
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 19:17 (five years ago) link
He looks like sherbet.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 19:19 (five years ago) link