Twin Peaks: Classic or Dud?

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― Shakey Mo Collier, Sunday, 11 March 2007 15:51 (seventeen years ago) link

HOW'S ANNIE

― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Sunday, 11 March 2007 21:46 (seventeen years ago) link

So many people have forced season 1 dvd on me. I'd really like to understand the lurve, but the show's just a soporific for me. I did like the time my roomie fast-forwarded thru "Fire Walk With Me" to how me all the creepy parts, tho it kind of ruined my work day afterwards.

― Abbott, Sunday, 11 March 2007 22:54 (seventeen years ago) link

[Removed Illegal Link]

― Abbott, Sunday, 11 March 2007 22:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Heck to you, illegality.

Here's Lynch talking about 'Loose Change' clip on Dutch TV!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhYYN7QhcKs

― Abbott, Sunday, 11 March 2007 22:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Is region 2 still coming in May of this year then?

― StanM, Sunday, 11 March 2007 23:09 (seventeen years ago) link

(er... Twin Peaks, I mean)

― StanM, Sunday, 11 March 2007 23:09 (seventeen years ago) link

superglad that Season 2 is finally coming out, but a little disappointed that it isn't being packaged altogether with Season 1 and the Pilot in one big box. Lame that the pilot isn't available at all on DVD in the US....

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 12 March 2007 21:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Ha, best thing about re-reading this thread = I had forgotten that whole span of time when everything Anna posted got cut off at the end, like she was constantly getting knocked over the head with candlesticks and passing out mid-sentence.

― nabisco, Monday, 12 March 2007 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

"Hey guys help I'm being held captive in a fortune coo

― nabisco, Monday, 12 March 2007 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

roflz

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 12 March 2007 21:36 (seventeen years ago) link

They're rerunning it on the Finnish TV at the moment, and I've been watching it with friends... I think I finally understand why Lynch wanted the murder never to be solved and the whole mystery just gradually fade into background, so that the show could just be about the inhabitants of Twin Peaks. When I first saw the series as a teen I focused (as did everyone else) on the horror and suspense aspect, but now I realize the show is really just an over-the-top soap opera, and the mystery functions mostly as a way to lure viewers in. Though of course Lynch should've realized that people wanted to find out who killed Laura Palmer, so his plan never worked. But there's so much parody and camp and over-the-to performances in the series it's hard to see it as anything else than a soap opera spiced with horror elements.

I have to say though, that the occasional conservatism of the show is kinda disturbing. Like in every Lynch movie, sex seems to be fundamentally perverse and leading to trouble. The scene where the cops question Jacques Renault and he talks about Laura and Ronette is particularly revealing. Also, I didn't really like the Bookhouse Boys thing and how they explain the troubles of Twin Peaks to be caused by some dark force in the forest. What a way to externalize your problems! I would've liked the show to be more open-ended about whether the perversity was an organic part of Twin Peaks, and not just caused by some spirits and dark forces.

― Tuomas, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 07:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Personally I would have been much happier if Twin Peaks had been a seven-parter, purely directed by Lynch and purely about the murder, as was the original intent.

About the show's "occasional conservatism" - Lynch is a stern, unbending right-wing Republican through and through; he's never made any secret of that.

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 08:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Personally I would have been much happier if Twin Peaks had been a seven-parter, purely directed by Lynch and purely about the murder, as was the original intent.

Was it really? Because from what I've gathered this wasn't the case. Wikipedia quotes Lynch as saying:

The mystery of who killed Laura Palmer was the foreground, but this would recede slightly as you got to know the other people in the town and the problems they were having...The project was to mix a police investigation with a soap opera.

Also, I remember reading that Lynch and Frost disagreed whether the murder should eventually be solved: Frost thought (probably correct) that most viewers would want to know who killed Laura, whereas Lynch's view was that the murder was more of a way to get people interested, and should never solved. Anyway, I don't think it was ever supposed to be the sole focus of the series.

― Tuomas, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 08:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, I don't think the conservatism should be only blamed on Lynch; if I remember correctly, he wrote and directed only two or three episodes in the series.

― Tuomas, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 08:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Any idea whether the season 2 DVDs will be coming out in Europe?

― baaderonixx, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 09:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't know about other Europe, but in Scandinavia it's released as two boxes, and the first one is already available:

http://www.cdon.com/main.phtml?navroot=905&session=1

The second one should come out next month.

― Tuomas, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 09:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Whoops, that didn't work. Here's a proper link:

http://www.cdon.com/product.phtml?prod=181572

I'm not sure if you can order it outside the Nordic countries though. At least the EU version of cdon.com doesn't have it.

― Tuomas, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 09:54 (seventeen years ago) link

This Finnish shop promises to ship the first box out to the EU, though they're currently out of stock.

http://www.filmifriikki.fi/~TaeJx0000002/?Y999=PIF&Y104=007332431007390&Y220=45f66d9700007942001d07674a6aa5d1330dbd7f

― Tuomas, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:05 (seventeen years ago) link

And you can also preorder the second box:

http://www.filmifriikki.fi/~YP46x0000002/?Y999=PIF&Y104=007332431014275&Y220=45f66d9700007942001d07674a6aa5d1330dbd7f

― Tuomas, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:09 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

hurray my copy of Season 2 just shipped.

Lynch is conservative I don't think there's any doubt - but calling him right wing is a bit misrepresentative, I think. He's really only "conservative" in the sense that he has an unswerving loyalty to kind of traditional "small-town America" no-drinks, no-drugs, no weird sexing sort of values. But he doesn't fit neatly into any kind of typical right-wing political mold.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 April 2007 19:13 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think it really matters whether he is conservative or not.

― The Real Dirty Vicar, Monday, 2 April 2007 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link

(btw Lynch directed 6 episodes and wrote 4)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 April 2007 19:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Lynch is a stern, unbending right-wing Republican through and through; he's never made any secret of that.

I've never seen him get anywhere that specific; where have you?

Shakey, so he puts in all the weird sexing into his work as a caution?? He seems to like it way too much.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 2 April 2007 19:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I'll be getting the S2 DVDs, but if anyone here has DirecTV and isn't sure about TP, there's a new channel called ChillerTV that's rerunning the series.

― marmotwolof, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

So I was all excited for the S2 DVDs to come out because I thought, Ooh I can watch the series all over again. But now I'm finding that S1 is no longer available on DVD (at least through Netflix)? What the screw? I seem to remember watching it when it first came out a few years ago at a friend's house -- why can't I rent it anymore?

― jaymc, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Shakey, so he puts in all the weird sexing into his work as a caution?? He seems to like it way too much.

oh I agree - why else would every single film (except maybe the Elephant Man?) contain at least one scene wherein hot chicks make out with each other. He likes to explore that tension/connection between temptation and suffering. He would be a way more boring filmmmaker if he was just some predictably stern moralist - its to his credit that he's not a finger-wagger and more of an interested investigator. That being said, he does rely on the common narrative trope of sex/sensuality inevitably leading to punishment and suffering - a theme that other, more conservative (and Christian) folks like to harp on.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I have the S1 DVDs, they are a great package... now all I need is the fucking pilot episode.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:13 (seventeen years ago) link

I like season 2, lots of joeks. I'm excited to get the dvds since I first saw it on decaying, barely-watchable VHS.

― Jordan, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

season 2 has some great stuff and also some incredibly bad stuff (James/rich widow/car mechanic subplot = wtf?)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, that subplot goes absolutely nowhere.

― jaymc, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:16 (seventeen years ago) link

ugh James. hate hate hate.

― horseshoe, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:17 (seventeen years ago) link

dudes UK SEASON ONE HAS REMASTERED PILOT

― 69, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link

yes but I cannot play stupid UK DVDs. The pilot is unavailable on DVD in the US, it has never been released.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I think its cuz the pilot rights are held by a different company...? And also the US and European versions of the pilot are dramatically different.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Isn't the tack-on ending the only difference? If you're watching the whole series, you just need to turn off the pilot ten min before the end.

― sexyDancer, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:30 (seventeen years ago) link

yeh that's the central difference - but considering the tacked on ending involves revealing the killer/Cooper meeting Bob, I think its a pretty dramatic difference.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link

(I think the ending also includes some scene of Lucy and Andy at home, which is also missing from the US version...?)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah he's practicing his trumpet or something. I still have the VHS of that, but no VCR. :(

― marmotwolof, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:37 (seventeen years ago) link

One of my many favorite things about Season Two = the song that James / Donna / Maddy practice and record.

― nabisco, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:39 (seventeen years ago) link

One of my many favorite things about Season Two = the song that James / Donna / Maddy practice and record.

just yoooouuuuuuuu.... and Iiiiiiyiiiii.... hahahaha oh man sometimes I annoy my wife by singing this song. Watching James try to pretend like that incredibly thin girlish voice is actually coming out of his body = teh funnies.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:44 (seventeen years ago) link

he's got a natural slap-back echo, that James

― sexyDancer, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link

"The pilot is unavailable on DVD in the US, it has never been released."

THIS IS NOT TRUE. It is available as a region-free grey-area-legal DVD that was all over amazon up until a little while ago, for cheap. I had one. It was fine although not the best DVD ever made (I think it was sped up very, very slightly). Now it'll cost you around $40 (which is what I just sold mine for).

― akm, Monday, 2 April 2007 23:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I meant it had never been officially released. I don't want a $40 bootleg of it.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 April 2007 23:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I've heard rumblings of a complete series + pilot DVD set coming out at some point. I wouldn't be surprised if that ends up being the only way you can officially get it, because that's how they fuck you.

― marmotwolof, Monday, 2 April 2007 23:28 (seventeen years ago) link

true. or you can just get the import box from the UK; you can sell your US box for enough money to cover the cost of that (unless your dvd player isn't convertable to all region, but you should have one of those too! they are cheap!)

― akm, Monday, 2 April 2007 23:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Mine is, supposedly. I might do that. I just sent off for the cheap Louis Theroux's Weird Weekends box set from Amazon.co.uk to test it out.

― marmotwolof, Monday, 2 April 2007 23:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Classic: Kyle McLachlan's finest work.

― Hard like armour, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 02:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Yep, classic. David Duchovny's finest work.

― Drooone, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 02:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Billy Zane's finest ... well ... Billy Zane is in it!

― HPSCHD, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 05:33 (seventeen years ago) link

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