Predict the electoral vote of the US Presidential Election

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* Wisconsin: Packers performance Sunday before election

lysander spooner, Saturday, 23 October 2004 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

actually, apparently if the resdskins win the game before the election, the incumbents win. so the packers better win.

Sympatico (shmuel), Saturday, 23 October 2004 23:59 (nineteen years ago) link

wtf, I just saw that GOP "wolves" ad that's supposed to be so great; it's not great at all. Does the classic European wolves as evil metaphor even work anymore? Seems to me most people are going to see this ad and think "oh, forests, pretty. Wolves! Neat! Doesn't David Attenborough do the voice overs for these things any more?"

Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 24 October 2004 02:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean Aesops' fables and shit by "European", of course. Should have been more specific.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 24 October 2004 02:11 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.wolfpacksfortruth.org/

looks like we now live in the age of instanteous smart-ass politically response sites...

Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Sunday, 24 October 2004 03:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm holding out hope for Arkansas, though.

Bush-Cheney yardsigns outnumber Kerry-Edwards 3 to 1 in metro Central Arkansas. Our state Democratic party says that they're not concentrating on yardsigns so much this year as they are on getting out the vote and databasing.

We shall see.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Sunday, 24 October 2004 03:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I wouldn't pay any attention to yard signs, the underdog party seems to flood the state with them just to piss off the other side. At least that's what I see in Illinois.

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 24 October 2004 12:43 (nineteen years ago) link

chris is right about tenn. i've lived in memphis, knoxville and nashville, and ain't no way kerry will win this state. where my parents live, in n. central tenn., the DEM st. representative candidate is anti gay rights, opposes abortion, is endorsed by the NRA and her TV ads show her with a shotgun! apart from midtown in memphis, shelby co. is solid reactionary republican.

i still think bush is gonna win this election. i hate to say it, but i feel like the fix is in. and i'm more than happy to be proven wrong.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 24 October 2004 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I am hoping to be on television, singing my new song, when I finish it. I will have to be quick. It starts off:

PJM: How much is that doggy in the swing state?
Ohio schoolchildren: WOOF WOOF!
PJM: The one with the waggly tail!

It is a satire on vote-rigging amongst the naturally pro-Kerry canine electorate.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Sunday, 24 October 2004 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Two polls in a row have Hawaii going Bush. WTF.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 24 October 2004 22:06 (nineteen years ago) link

electoral vote has bush in front for the first time in a while... http://www.electoral-vote.com/

zappi (joni), Sunday, 24 October 2004 23:19 (nineteen years ago) link

the media is doing bush a favor by continuing to say this is going to be close, when it probably won't be, that will make certain that bush supporters don't stay home. danny devito's doing his part by intimidating republican voters in florida. kerry plans on declaring victory no matter what, even if Bush wins 40 states.

keith m (keithmcl), Sunday, 24 October 2004 23:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Zappi, that site uses the most recent poll, and right now for IA and WI it's Strategic Vision, a GOP polling firm that always puts Bush ahead in states that are even remotely close.

And I got the Hawaii thing explained for me too.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Monday, 25 October 2004 00:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh shit, um, I mean this is the correct link for that.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Monday, 25 October 2004 00:35 (nineteen years ago) link

This site doesn't use either Strategic Vision (because they're blatantly biased) or Zogby (because his internet polling method is somewhat fishy), to their credit.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Monday, 25 October 2004 00:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Right now if you do an average of the last two weeks from measurement date range midpoint, and exclude Zogby and Strat Vision here are the numbers:

FL: Kerry O.36%
OH: Kerry 1.8%
WI: Bush 0.666% (haha)
NM: Bush 1.5%
IA: Bush 2.5%
MN: Kerry 1.25%

So you see, if, as most major media outlets are still doing, you say something like "It's a tie but Bush appears to have the edge" based on national numbers or whatever, you're chock full of shit.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Monday, 25 October 2004 00:49 (nineteen years ago) link

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/w1nt3rmut3/SaintClinton.jpg

Dan I. (Dan I.), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 00:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Averages over the last week including Strat Vision and Zogby (data from race2004.net):

FL: Bush 1.38
OH: Bush 0.73
WI: Bush 1.22
NM: Kerry 1.98
IA: Bush 1.72
MN: Kerry 2.9 (heavily influenced by unlikely zogby numbers)
MN w/o Zogby: Bush 0.75

So the most Kerry would have to make up (in IA) is 1.72%, which is not too shabby.

Fuck I wish the election would just be over so I could concentrate on school work instead of compulsively doing shit like this.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 03:04 (nineteen years ago) link

As far as I can tell, Blackwell and the GOP have as good as stolen Ohio already.

Dan I., Tuesday, 26 October 2004 22:06 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

(apologies if this has already been posted)

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 22:58 (nineteen years ago) link

All those "barelies" make me nervous

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 22:59 (nineteen years ago) link

It's gonna be as bad as 2000 again, except this time we'll have an incumbent who doesn't know if he's a lame duck or not.

(There's a lot that he doesn't know, but I'm trying to stay on-topic here.)

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 23:21 (nineteen years ago) link

and Nader ain't on the ballot in Ohio now, either.

Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 02:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Come on, people, keep it up: I rely on you for what slight reserves of optimism I possess.

the bluefox, Saturday, 30 October 2004 10:19 (nineteen years ago) link

OK - Slate's scorecard has been on the brink of calling it for Kerry for the last few days based on the weight of probabilities; they reckon his grip on MN, NH, OH, PA and WI is growing slightly stronger - he has a "good shot at IA and an excellent shot at FL". Their evidence shows a Kerry win in FL is more likely at this point than a Bush win in MI.

I expect some voter intimidation/challenging and some outright fraud to tip the scales in Bush's favour but I also suspect the strength of Kerry support is being consistently underestimated (see 2000 and Gore trailing by 3-6pts in the tracking polls during the final week). How the Bin Laden tape will play to the waverers is anybody's guess.

I'm still saying Kerry by ten.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Saturday, 30 October 2004 12:23 (nineteen years ago) link

In the final week before the 2000 election there were a lot of bogus polls floating around that called the election for Bush by a comfortable margin. Even the non-bogus polls that admitted it was going to be close consistantly overstated Bush's lead.

So, given that there are more wildcards this time around than last time, I think the chances are better than ever that the poll results will be off by the stated "margin of error". Personally, I expect the swing will go to Kerry. Bush is sounding increasingly shrill and nervous on the stump. The candidates have private polls that they believe in more than the public polls we read.

Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 30 October 2004 15:57 (nineteen years ago) link


Here's a bullshit flyer found in Milwaukee

k3rry (dymaxia), Saturday, 30 October 2004 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link

i know it's completely meaningless at this point, but i'm liking the look of electoral-vote.com today.

m. (mitchlnw), Sunday, 31 October 2004 20:47 (nineteen years ago) link

my prediction still stands based on the polls - Kerry takes NH, OH and FL, and doesn't lose a Gore state.

The polls suggest that Kerry will not win in NV, CO, WV, AR, MO, VA or AZ, but I could see him winning any or all of these on the basis of the ground game and the underpolled/underweighted (young/new voters, hispanics, native americans, cellphone-users and absentee voters). I think similar phenomena keep IA and NM in Kerry's column.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 31 October 2004 21:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I also think it's going to be surprisingly close in some solid red states

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 31 October 2004 21:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm breaking it all down into a four-point mantra wrt why Gore lost last time.

1. Nader factor - there's less of him.
2. Voter apathy - there's less of it.
3. Electoral fraud - there won't be any less of it but we're watching like hawks.
4. Bush lead in the final week - there's hardly any of it.

Oh, and the Redskins lost at some sport I don't fully understand.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 31 October 2004 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Kerry 303
Bush 226

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Monday, 1 November 2004 03:33 (nineteen years ago) link

you're missing a state

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 1 November 2004 03:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, OK. Then just give the other state to Bush. I was going off of electoral-vote.com's map today and I gave Ohio to Kerry.

Kerry 303
Bush 235?

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Monday, 1 November 2004 03:55 (nineteen years ago) link

can you say Dukakis?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 1 November 2004 03:58 (nineteen years ago) link

under 29s in Florida support Kerry by 34 points

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 1 November 2004 04:01 (nineteen years ago) link

OH MY GOD:

Green Bay 28, Washington 14

let's hear for superstitions!

Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Monday, 1 November 2004 04:25 (nineteen years ago) link

under 29s in Florida support Kerry by 34 points

Well let's hope they actually vote!

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 1 November 2004 05:09 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.snopes.com/sports/football/election.asp

LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Monday, 1 November 2004 07:13 (nineteen years ago) link

i think i'm gunna make a catch-all thread for tomorrow.

Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Monday, 1 November 2004 07:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I did enjoy Jesus on 'Panorama' last night.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 1 November 2004 09:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Slate is now saying 299-239 for Kerry, but 75 of Kerry's EC votes are 'iffy' compared to only 12 of Bush's. Gallup has flipped crazily on Florida: from +8 for GWB to +3 for JFK.

Kerry, they reckon, can afford to lose any of the following combinations of states: FL/IA/NM, FL/WI/NH, OH/WI/IA/NH, OH/PA, WI/MN/PA. If it's FL/OH though, it's no go.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 1 November 2004 10:08 (nineteen years ago) link

A guy at my office is offering the following terms. Should I bet and if so which side should I take (note there are four possible bets here, not counting the amount per point):

to make tomorrow even more interesting I am making the following markets up to US-$ 20 a point

Kerry 275 - 280
Bush 260 - 265

IF YOU CARE TO BET CHECK IN WITH ME FIRST AS MARKETS MIGHT SHIFT

o. nate (onate), Monday, 1 November 2004 15:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Judging by the consensus on this thread, I guess I should be selling Bush at 260 for $20 a point.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 1 November 2004 15:20 (nineteen years ago) link

OK, OK, I like it, thanks.

Last night on the news: Kerry camp upbeat; Dubay camp 'outwardly confident - yet inwardly worried'. I liked that too.

the bluefox, Monday, 1 November 2004 16:14 (nineteen years ago) link

More gee-up stats for the 'fox: electoral-vote.com is now saying 298-240 for Kerry (and that's with Bush taking NM and NH which are currently tied). The guy who runs that site has come out of the closet as a member of Democrats Abroad, so allow that to colour your view of the numbers if you wish. All e-v.com does is simply report the most recent polls for each state though, so no obvious bias. The Kerry leads in The Big Three (PA, OH and FL) are gobbled up by the sampling error, mind.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 1 November 2004 16:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh well - it was bound to happen - Slate now has it at 269-269. FL bounced back to Bush, thence to Kerry but now WI looks bleak for Kerry. The numbers aren't even pretending to settle. Best way of looking at this(?): Bush needs both FL and OH, Kerry needs one of them.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 1 November 2004 19:59 (nineteen years ago) link

269 to 269 is the pretext for civil war

still bevens (bscrubbins), Monday, 1 November 2004 20:04 (nineteen years ago) link

go capitalism go

bnw (bnw), Monday, 1 November 2004 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link


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